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It looks certain Federer will drop to 3rd on slam list
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Whisper
2021-02-21 11:41:00 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
Garvin Yee
2021-02-21 12:01:16 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33.  Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
Phenomenal.

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Gracchus
2021-02-21 16:46:42 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
And Serena only needs one more to get to 24. If she had two-thirds of her slams on red dirt, might be easier. :)
*skriptis
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 3:41:08 AM UTC-8, Whisper wrote:> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only > 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.And Serena only needs one more to get to 24. If she had two-thirds of her slams on red dirt, might be easier. :)
There are three surfaces and four slams.
Clay and grass are not overrepresented, HC are.
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Whisper
2021-02-21 21:27:27 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
And Serena only needs one more to get to 24. If she had two-thirds of her slams on red dirt, might be easier. :)
Much harder to win slams on red dirt. That's another level of greatness
many can't get near.
Gracchus
2021-02-21 21:34:54 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
And Serena only needs one more to get to 24. If she had two-thirds of her slams on red dirt, might be easier. :)
Much harder to win slams on red dirt.
If that were true, someone who can win 10 slams on the dirt should be able to win 20 on grass.
guypers
2021-02-21 21:47:41 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
And Serena only needs one more to get to 24. If she had two-thirds of her slams on red dirt, might be easier. :)
Much harder to win slams on red dirt.
If that were true, someone who can win 10 slams on the dirt should be able to win 20 on grass.
Rosewall almost won one!! On grass at W
Whisper
2021-02-21 22:04:59 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
And Serena only needs one more to get to 24. If she had two-thirds of her slams on red dirt, might be easier. :)
Much harder to win slams on red dirt.
If that were true, someone who can win 10 slams on the dirt should be able to win 20 on grass.
Harder physically, that's why Laver called Nadal the best athlete ever
in tennis. Of course you need supreme tennis skills too, explains why
Rafa has 4 USO too, 1 short of open era record.
bob
2021-02-22 00:19:35 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 13:34:54 -0800 (PST), Gracchus
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
And Serena only needs one more to get to 24. If she had two-thirds of her slams on red dirt, might be easier. :)
Much harder to win slams on red dirt.
If that were true, someone who can win 10 slams on the dirt should be able to win 20 on grass.
RST had a great argument about this back in the day. the day of
kuerten and sampras. :-)

bob
bob
2021-02-22 00:18:34 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol

bob
Whisper
2021-02-22 05:40:35 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (

At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Gracchus
2021-02-22 06:05:12 UTC
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Post by bob
On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Yes, I'm sure Roger will be crying himself to sleep every night with that thought in his mind. But your sympathy might help if he knows about it. You should send some chocolates with a condolence card signed "Dog-kicking Croat Loser in the Land of Kangaroo Shit."
Whisper
2021-02-22 06:35:19 UTC
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Post by bob
On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Yes, I'm sure Roger will be crying himself to sleep every night with that thought in his mind. But your sympathy might help if he knows about it. You should send some chocolates with a condolence card signed "Dog-kicking Croat Loser in the Land of Kangaroo Shit."
Touchy
jlia...@gmail.com
2021-02-22 07:47:36 UTC
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Post by bob
On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Fed enjoyed it a bit longer than Sampras. Sampras got his slam king title at 2000 Wimbledon, it lasted exactly 9 year for some at 2009 FO when Fed completed career grand slam and for other at 2009 Wimbledon. So Federer was slam king for almost 12 years.
Whisper
2021-02-22 11:24:29 UTC
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Post by bob
On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Fed enjoyed it a bit longer than Sampras. Sampras got his slam king title at 2000 Wimbledon, it lasted exactly 9 year for some at 2009 FO when Fed completed career grand slam and for other at 2009 Wimbledon. So Federer was slam king for almost 12 years.
But it's kinda said to retire not being slam goat for Fed, given how
long he played & commitment to winning everything. His final interviews
will have a more narrow range of questions. Can't ask him eg how it
feels to be the greatest slam winner of all time etc. Now he'll be
asked about Rafa & Djoker quite a lot. Not the ideal way he envisaged
his retirement.
jlia...@gmail.com
2021-02-22 12:00:36 UTC
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Post by bob
On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Fed enjoyed it a bit longer than Sampras. Sampras got his slam king title at 2000 Wimbledon, it lasted exactly 9 year for some at 2009 FO when Fed completed career grand slam and for other at 2009 Wimbledon. So Federer was slam king for almost 12 years.
But it's kinda said to retire not being slam goat for Fed, given how
long he played & commitment to winning everything. His final interviews
will have a more narrow range of questions. Can't ask him eg how it
feels to be the greatest slam winner of all time etc. Now he'll be
asked about Rafa & Djoker quite a lot. Not the ideal way he envisaged
his retirement.
Fed has done his best and he is still one of the greatest, he would be remember as a player with the beautiful and classic game. Apart from their record what do we remember Nadal and Djokovic with if we go down the history of the game. Their influence on the game will be a lot less than Federer. This is the reason why Djokovic often question why he was less loved by the tennis fan. A lot more people will miss seeing Federer playing the game than the other two.
heyg...@gmail.com
2021-02-22 13:22:33 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Fed enjoyed it a bit longer than Sampras. Sampras got his slam king title at 2000 Wimbledon, it lasted exactly 9 year for some at 2009 FO when Fed completed career grand slam and for other at 2009 Wimbledon. So Federer was slam king for almost 12 years.
But it's kinda said to retire not being slam goat for Fed, given how
long he played & commitment to winning everything. His final interviews
will have a more narrow range of questions. Can't ask him eg how it
feels to be the greatest slam winner of all time etc. Now he'll be
asked about Rafa & Djoker quite a lot. Not the ideal way he envisaged
his retirement.
Fed has done his best and he is still one of the greatest, he would be remember as a player with the beautiful and classic game. Apart from their record what do we remember Nadal and Djokovic with if we go down the history of the game. Their influence on the game will be a lot less than Federer. This is the reason why Djokovic often question why he was less loved by the tennis fan. A lot more people will miss seeing Federer playing the game than the other two.
Yes. RST is so weird. Players putting their all into trying for all-time records are denigrated (they're desperate!) and the players who could've tried but didn't are heralded because they "didn't chase records." It's really a perverse view.

Maybe it's just a US thing of better to try and not succeed than never try at all...
*skriptis
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Well Graf could have chased Court record, but chose not to.

We all admire that.



Maybe you'll understand if Federer has a dip in form, stops being a slam contender but choses to stay active on tour to vulture several ATP 250s so that he could surpass Connors' 109 titles?

How would you feel about that?

We in Europe would consider that a low class.
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2021-02-22 14:30:45 UTC
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Well Graf could have chased Court record, but chose not to.
We all admire that.
Maybe you'll understand if Federer has a dip in form, stops being a slam contender but choses to stay active on tour to vulture several ATP 250s so that he could surpass Connors' 109 titles?
How would you feel about that?
We in Europe would consider that a low class.
Would that be any different than what Pete did to get 6 consecutive years at #1? Somehow that effort is praised to the hilt.
The Iceberg
2021-02-22 14:45:51 UTC
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Well Graf could have chased Court record, but chose not to.
We all admire that.
Maybe you'll understand if Federer has a dip in form, stops being a slam contender but choses to stay active on tour to vulture several ATP 250s so that he could surpass Connors' 109 titles?
How would you feel about that?
We in Europe would consider that a low class.
Would that be any different than what Pete did to get 6 consecutive years at #1? Somehow that effort is praised to the hilt.
cos it's an all-time record, you maroon!
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2021-02-22 14:57:37 UTC
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Well Graf could have chased Court record, but chose not to.
We all admire that.
Maybe you'll understand if Federer has a dip in form, stops being a slam contender but choses to stay active on tour to vulture several ATP 250s so that he could surpass Connors' 109 titles?
How would you feel about that?
We in Europe would consider that a low class.
Would that be any different than what Pete did to get 6 consecutive years at #1? Somehow that effort is praised to the hilt.
cos it's an all-time record, you maroon!
So putting in a huge effort to reach an all-time record is a good thing or a bad thing?

Just this past year Djok was playing tournaments just for points to ensure year end #1. Was that low class? He has literally said he's chasing records. I don't see Skriptis dinging him for it.
*skriptis
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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As I said with Sampras, it would have been low class if e.g. Thiem or Nadal had won USO/FO double and Djokovic was chasing YE№1 with his sole AO title and bunch of ATP 250s.

But that didn't happen in 2020 and neither in 1998. They all split slams in those years, so "chasing #1" is a silly phrase. ATP 250s pts from February or November, no difference.
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He has literally said he's chasing records. I don't see Skriptis dinging him for it.
It's not something that will bring fans that's for sure. And he's not "saying it", he's being asked and he's responding to questions.

But yes, people prefer players who don't care about records and those with industrial approach are less appreciated.


Hasn't Jordan also quit mid-peak?
Do you think it boosted his aura?
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2021-02-22 14:47:13 UTC
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Well Graf could have chased Court record, but chose not to.
We all admire that.
Maybe you'll understand if Federer has a dip in form, stops being a slam contender but choses to stay active on tour to vulture several ATP 250s so that he could surpass Connors' 109 titles?
How would you feel about that?
We in Europe would consider that a low class.
Would that be any different than what Pete did to get 6 consecutive years at #1? Somehow that effort is praised to the hilt.
By some. I consider it low class.
The Iceberg
2021-02-22 14:50:32 UTC
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Well Graf could have chased Court record, but chose not to.
We all admire that.
Maybe you'll understand if Federer has a dip in form, stops being a slam contender but choses to stay active on tour to vulture several ATP 250s so that he could surpass Connors' 109 titles?
How would you feel about that?
We in Europe would consider that a low class.
Would that be any different than what Pete did to get 6 consecutive years at #1? Somehow that effort is praised to the hilt.
By some. I consider it low class.
you work in a sex museum you're an expert in low class! LOL
*skriptis
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Good question. Maybe in Pete's defense he gets a pass because he had an ongoing streak. So that makes it different?

For me, he's not an undeserved #1 because he won Wimbledon, most prestigious slam, there were 4 different slam winners that year and none of the slam winners won YEC. No one has the edge. So it's kinda unfortunate that he had to vulture ATP pts, but at least he won a slam.

Otoh chasing computer #1 if he hadn't won a slam that year, that would have been low class. Or staying active until 40 to get that one elusive? I know it defies the logic "more is better", but I guess we in Europe feel champions aren't only supposed to win, but come, win in style, and leave?
Veni vidi vici.

Borg and Graf, finest examples.
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2021-02-22 15:02:36 UTC
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Good question. Maybe in Pete's defense he gets a pass because he had an ongoing streak. So that makes it different?
For me, he's not an undeserved #1 because he won Wimbledon, most prestigious slam, there were 4 different slam winners that year and none of the slam winners won YEC. No one has the edge. So it's kinda unfortunate that he had to vulture ATP pts, but at least he won a slam.
Otoh chasing computer #1 if he hadn't won a slam that year, that would have been low class. Or staying active until 40 to get that one elusive? I know it defies the logic "more is better", but I guess we in Europe feel champions aren't only supposed to win, but come, win in style, and leave?
Veni vidi vici.
Borg and Graf, finest examples.
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Uh, Borg came back years later. That's pretty much an admission he f-ed up by quitting early. Graf was tired of dealing with chronic injuries...who could blame her.
*skriptis
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Once you can't win in a fashion you're used to winning, or especially if you can't win at all, you should quit.

In the greater scheme of things, 1 slam difference if both have 20+ slams means little (it's only 5% or less), and arguably it doesn't mean a thing if you had to play for 10 extra years and suffer 39 defeats to get that one title.

It's a success, but it's simply not impressive, or inspiring.
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Whisper
2021-02-22 23:32:58 UTC
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Good question. Maybe in Pete's defense he gets a pass because he had an ongoing streak. So that makes it different?
Pete didn't want to do it, he was forced by his marketing team and
sponsors as beating Connors is good selling point for the brand. Cost
him '
*skriptis
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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1999? ;)
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2021-02-23 02:29:45 UTC
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1999? ;)
Yes. I was good at math.

: )
bob
2021-02-22 18:56:43 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Fed enjoyed it a bit longer than Sampras. Sampras got his slam king title at 2000 Wimbledon, it lasted exactly 9 year for some at 2009 FO when Fed completed career grand slam and for other at 2009 Wimbledon. So Federer was slam king for almost 12 years.
But it's kinda said to retire not being slam goat for Fed, given how
long he played & commitment to winning everything. His final interviews
will have a more narrow range of questions. Can't ask him eg how it
feels to be the greatest slam winner of all time etc. Now he'll be
asked about Rafa & Djoker quite a lot. Not the ideal way he envisaged
his retirement.
Fed has done his best and he is still one of the greatest, he would be remember as a player with the beautiful and classic game.
yes, he will be remembered with a beautiful game. as will petr korda.
:-)
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Apart from their record what do we remember Nadal and Djokovic with if we go down the history of the game. Their influence on the game will be a lot less than Federer. This is the reason why Djokovic often question why he was less loved by the tennis fan. A lot more people will miss seeing Federer playing the game than the other two.
bob
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2021-02-23 08:38:49 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Fed enjoyed it a bit longer than Sampras. Sampras got his slam king title at 2000 Wimbledon, it lasted exactly 9 year for some at 2009 FO when Fed completed career grand slam and for other at 2009 Wimbledon. So Federer was slam king for almost 12 years.
But it's kinda said to retire not being slam goat for Fed, given how
long he played & commitment to winning everything. His final interviews
will have a more narrow range of questions. Can't ask him eg how it
feels to be the greatest slam winner of all time etc. Now he'll be
asked about Rafa & Djoker quite a lot. Not the ideal way he envisaged
his retirement.
Fed has done his best and he is still one of the greatest, he would be remember as a player with the beautiful and classic game.
yes, he will be remembered with a beautiful game. as will petr korda.
:-)
Apart from their record what do we remember Nadal and Djokovic with if we go down the history of the game. Their influence on the game will be a lot less than Federer. This is the reason why Djokovic often question why he was less loved by the tennis fan. A lot more people will miss seeing Federer playing the game than the other two.
bob
Petr Korda does not have 20 slams. Oh of course you and your master have always thought Federer is just a haas with a very good wrist.
bob
2021-02-25 20:25:37 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
Fed enjoyed it a bit longer than Sampras. Sampras got his slam king title at 2000 Wimbledon, it lasted exactly 9 year for some at 2009 FO when Fed completed career grand slam and for other at 2009 Wimbledon. So Federer was slam king for almost 12 years.
But it's kinda said to retire not being slam goat for Fed, given how
long he played & commitment to winning everything. His final interviews
will have a more narrow range of questions. Can't ask him eg how it
feels to be the greatest slam winner of all time etc. Now he'll be
asked about Rafa & Djoker quite a lot. Not the ideal way he envisaged
his retirement.
Fed has done his best and he is still one of the greatest, he would be remember as a player with the beautiful and classic game.
yes, he will be remembered with a beautiful game. as will petr korda.
:-)
Apart from their record what do we remember Nadal and Djokovic with if we go down the history of the game. Their influence on the game will be a lot less than Federer. This is the reason why Djokovic often question why he was less loved by the tennis fan. A lot more people will miss seeing Federer playing the game than the other two.
bob
Petr Korda does not have 20 slams. Oh of course you and your master have always thought Federer is just a haas with a very good wrist.
never thought that.

bob
Neil Robinson
2021-02-22 10:41:18 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
Poor poor Roger, it is a tragic life, having to retire as only the second or third most successful tennis player in history, with only his hundreds of millions in the bank to give him comfort.....
Whisper
2021-02-22 11:31:44 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
Poor poor Roger, it is a tragic life, having to retire as only the second or third most successful tennis player in history, with only his hundreds of millions in the bank to give him comfort.....
You know what I mean. Roger & Serena don't need more money, they want
to be the very best ever. If Rafa & Djoker end up on eg 24 slams &
winning h2h over Roger it would be impossible to argue Fed is the best.
bob
2021-02-22 18:55:19 UTC
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:40:35 +1100, Whisper
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
bob
I feel sad for Roger as he will be heading off into retirement knowing
he's not the slam leader : (
At least Sampras sailed off knowing he was the all time slam king and
enjoyed a few yrs of that status. Fed will never know that feeling in
retirement, overtaken while still active.
good pt: great champs at the pinnacle like roger (or tom brady) live
for the competition and the victories.

should roger actually retire #3 or even #2 on the slam list, it's
going to bother him no doubt. it's kinda tough to say, "yeah, my
greatness even surprised myself" when you're #3.

bob
The Iceberg
2021-02-22 14:43:15 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:41:00 +1100, Whisper
Post by Whisper
Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
i cannot go with "certain." surely, it's likely. imagine if roger
slips to #3. RST goes bonkers, trump style! lol
there'd be an attempted "insurrection" by the Fedfans! LOL
bob
2021-02-22 18:59:12 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.
who had the age advantage from 2003-2009 when fed won 16 of his 20
slams?

bob
Whisper
2021-02-23 00:10:31 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.
It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played
so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of
the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no
doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger!
20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
PeteWasLucky
2021-02-23 00:38:25 UTC
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On 23/02/2021 2:32 am, StephenJ wrote:>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-6, Whisper wrote:>> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only>> 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.> > I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.> > It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger! 20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
That miserable poor Federer :)

Just watch whatever is left in his career and enjoy it as a big
Federer fan :)
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Gracchus
2021-02-23 00:48:51 UTC
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On 23/02/2021 2:32 am, StephenJ wrote:>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-6, Whisper wrote:>> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only>> 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.> > I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.> > It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger! 20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
That miserable poor Federer :)
I imagine him wandering the streets of Basel at night--a hollow, broken man with a bottle of Thunderbird in a paper bag. He wails to invisible demons, "Why?! Why only twenty slams with all my talent?!! What an artist dies in me!"
guypers
2021-02-23 01:01:52 UTC
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On 23/02/2021 2:32 am, StephenJ wrote:>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-6, Whisper wrote:>> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only>> 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.> > I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.> > It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger! 20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
That miserable poor Federer :)
I imagine him wandering the streets of Basel at night--a hollow, broken man with a bottle of Thunderbird in a paper bag. He wails to invisible demons, "Why?! Why only twenty slams with all my talent?!! What an artist dies in me!"
Lol, and a billion in Swiss banks!
PeteWasLucky
2021-02-23 01:05:46 UTC
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On 23/02/2021 2:32 am, StephenJ wrote:>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-6, Whisper wrote:>> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only>> 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.> > I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.> > It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger! 20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
That miserable poor Federer :)
I imagine him wandering the streets of Basel at night--a hollow, broken man with a bottle of Thunderbird in a paper bag. He wails to invisible demons, "Why?! Why only twenty slams with all my talent?!! What an artist dies in me!"
exactly :)

If djok and Nadal have 40 slams each and they are playing each other while that poor Roger is having a practice session in the same time, it's the side court with Federer on it that will be the most crowded.
The Iceberg
2021-02-23 09:34:03 UTC
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On 23/02/2021 2:32 am, StephenJ wrote:>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-6, Whisper wrote:>> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only>> 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.> > I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.> > It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger! 20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
That miserable poor Federer :)
I imagine him wandering the streets of Basel at night--a hollow, broken man with a bottle of Thunderbird in a paper bag. He wails to invisible demons, "Why?! Why only twenty slams with all my talent?!! What an artist dies in me!"
he might be like Van Gogh and cut his own racquet strings off?
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bob
2021-02-25 20:43:26 UTC
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:48:51 -0800 (PST), Gracchus
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On 23/02/2021 2:32 am, StephenJ wrote:>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-6, Whisper wrote:>> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only>> 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.> > I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.> > It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger! 20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
That miserable poor Federer :)
I imagine him wandering the streets of Basel at night--a hollow, broken man with a bottle of Thunderbird in a paper bag. He wails to invisible demons, "Why?! Why only twenty slams with all my talent?!! What an artist dies in me!"
well didn't you say the same about sampras when fed got 15?

pete the multimillionaire father with beautiful wife living in bel air
& not even watching tennis anymore?

so, pt being, at the extreme level of competition, large egos involved
(except nadal who has no ego :-)), IMO it would irk a fed type to be
surpassed while still very young - perhaps even not retired. maybe 20
yrs from now, no. i believe it irked sampras similarly.

let's just all hope and pray that lebron doesn't catch michael, can we
agree? :-))

bob
Gracchus
2021-02-25 21:24:22 UTC
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:48:51 -0800 (PST), Gracchus
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On 23/02/2021 2:32 am, StephenJ wrote:>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-6, Whisper wrote:>> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only>> 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.> > I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.> > It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger! 20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
That miserable poor Federer :)
I imagine him wandering the streets of Basel at night--a hollow, broken man with a bottle of Thunderbird in a paper bag. He wails to invisible demons, "Why?! Why only twenty slams with all my talent?!! What an artist dies in me!"
well didn't you say the same about sampras when fed got 15?
pete the multimillionaire father with beautiful wife living in bel air
& not even watching tennis anymore?
I said that Pete was crying about his record being broken? Can't imagine that I was serious if I did.
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so, pt being, at the extreme level of competition, large egos involved
(except nadal who has no ego :-)), IMO it would irk a fed type to be
surpassed while still very young - perhaps even not retired. maybe 20
yrs from now, no. i believe it irked sampras similarly.
Maybe irked. Calling it a "nightmare" is a whole other thing.
Post by bob
let's just all hope and pray that lebron doesn't catch michael, can we
agree? :-))
Not a basketball fan so I couldn't say.
bob
2021-02-25 23:52:00 UTC
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 13:24:22 -0800 (PST), Gracchus
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:48:51 -0800 (PST), Gracchus
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Post by PeteWasLucky
On 23/02/2021 2:32 am, StephenJ wrote:>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-6, Whisper wrote:>> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only>> 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.> > I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.> > It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger! 20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
That miserable poor Federer :)
I imagine him wandering the streets of Basel at night--a hollow, broken man with a bottle of Thunderbird in a paper bag. He wails to invisible demons, "Why?! Why only twenty slams with all my talent?!! What an artist dies in me!"
well didn't you say the same about sampras when fed got 15?
pete the multimillionaire father with beautiful wife living in bel air
& not even watching tennis anymore?
I said that Pete was crying about his record being broken? Can't imagine that I was serious if I did.
maybe it was others, not you. but many did say it.
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Post by bob
so, pt being, at the extreme level of competition, large egos involved
(except nadal who has no ego :-)), IMO it would irk a fed type to be
surpassed while still very young - perhaps even not retired. maybe 20
yrs from now, no. i believe it irked sampras similarly.
Maybe irked. Calling it a "nightmare" is a whole other thing.
agree. i'd just say perhaps "irritated" or "annoyed" is best? guys
like federer, sampras, lebron james - guys at the pinnacle of their
sports - surely don't want to see a record broken when they're still
young, or playing?

but guys like laver, old timers, i think they kind of enjoy it. just
IMO.
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let's just all hope and pray that lebron doesn't catch michael, can we
agree? :-))
Not a basketball fan so I couldn't say.
it keeps me up at night. :-)

bob

Whisper
2021-02-23 02:26:47 UTC
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Post by PeteWasLucky
On 23/02/2021 2:32 am, StephenJ wrote:>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:41:08 AM UTC-6, Whisper wrote:>> Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only>> 33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.> > I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.> > It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger! 20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc
That miserable poor Federer :)
Just watch whatever is left in his career and enjoy it as a big
Federer fan :)
I am. Hoping to see something special at Wimbledon. Last time he
played he beat Rafa in semis & had 2 mp's to beat Djoker in the final.
Had he done that we'd look at his career very differently. Amazing how
much can hinge on just 1 point at times. Gotta love (& hate?) this
great game!

: )
Neil Robinson
2021-02-23 15:28:09 UTC
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Surely Rafa will win 1 more, & Djoker looks as strong as ever & is only
33. Only needs 2 more to get to 20.
I've been saying this for 7-8 years. The five year age advantage that Rafa and Joker have over Fed has always been the key to understanding this.
It's kinda a nightmare for Federer. He's had so much success and played
so long he probably never figured he'd retire without being on top of
the slam count. It has to take a lot of enjoyment out of his career no
doubt about it. He'll get questions like 'What an amazing career Roger!
20 slams is brilliant, only a little behind Nadal/Djoker' etc

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