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djokovic and nadal at the AO and USO
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WQL Tennis
2021-02-25 04:15:44 UTC
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it is amazing how nadal, federer, djokovic keep coming back in adversity and when people write them off. 20, 20 and 18 is just incredible. i see rafa winning more FOs and djokovic should i guess have chances at wimbledon.

what i am curious about is what people think about the AO and USO going forward. nadal has won more USOs than lendl, which just shows how great he is (in a similar way that djokovic has won as many wimbledons as becker and edberg combined...).

what i find more surprising is that nadal has won more USOs than djokovic, and less AOs. sometimes people have more fortune at some slams than others. that could be the case here, but are there any reasons, particularly technical ones? do people think it is more likely nadal will win more USOs than djokovic going forward?

and yes, as one reason, i think one *can* say, "rafa *is* just that good" - that is also fair. but having thought the USO courts were faster, are there other factors that change this (or does he just prefer faster hardcourt anyway?), and/or make overall conditions better for him? potential examples: ability/tolerance of the USO courts to amplify his spin? humidity? heat? at this later stage of rafa's career, he has won more USOs since 2017 than fed, djokovic, wawrinka and murray...

it just struck me:
connors 5, mcenroe 4, lendl 3 (the latter out of 8 finals)
federer 5, nadal 4, djokovic 3 (again from 8 finals)
[and in between, there is:
sampras 5, agassi 2 + rafter 2, edberg 2 + becker 1...]

amazing!
*skriptis
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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it is amazing how nadal, federer, djokovic keep coming back in adversity and when people write them off. 20, 20 and 18 is just incredible. i see rafa winning more FOs and djokovic should i guess have chances at wimbledon.what i am curious about is what people think about the AO and USO going forward. nadal has won more USOs than lendl, which just shows how great he is (in a similar way that djokovic has won as many wimbledons as becker and edberg combined...).what i find more surprising is that nadal has won more USOs than djokovic, and less AOs. sometimes people have more fortune at some slams than others. that could be the case here, but are there any reasons, particularly technical ones? do people think it is more likely nadal will win more USOs than djokovic going forward?and yes, as one reason, i think one *can* say, "rafa *is* just that good" - that is also fair. but having thought the USO courts were faster, are there other factors that change this (or does he just prefer faster hardcourt anyway?), and/or make overall conditions better for him? potential examples: ability/tolerance of the USO courts to amplify his spin? humidity? heat? at this later stage of rafa's career, he has won more USOs since 2017 than fed, djokovic, wawrinka and murray...it just struck me:connors 5, mcenroe 4, lendl 3 (the latter out of 8 finals)federer 5, nadal 4, djokovic 3 (again from 8 finals)[and in between, there is:sampras 5, agassi 2 + rafter 2, edberg 2 + becker 1...]amazing!
I guess USO is more humid than AO and Djokovic is not a good sweater, so advantage for him at AO due to drier conditions?

There is a similar discrepancy with MS titles too 5 and 6 IW/Miami vs 4 and 2 Canada/Cincinnati. Could that be humidity related? Possibly but the difference in not that huge as it's in AO vs USO.

Djokovic has crowd issues at USO. He's booed there, heckled, they're always actively working to bring him down, and by this stage of career he has a lot of bad memories eating up his confidence there. Despite all the good memories. Once they applaud your double faults bad memories emerge quite easily.

So not a surprise he hit that linesman. It's a slam he feels least comfortable at. AO quite the opposite with many Serbs living there supporting him.

Rafa otoh, despite his succes at the French, the crowd there never liked him that much and Wim/AO are ok for him, but he's probably most popular and beloved precisely at USO.
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