Is Zverev the biggest underachiever ever?

[Sawfish]

He isn't even making enough slam finals and reaching later rounds of slams to even register as an underachiever, lol.
It's like that joke "you're so bad that you'd finish second in every competition where they pick the worst..."
What's his problem?
He's got flawless game, huge serve, speed, reach, return and powerful groundies.
In theory he could have been even a dominant player of this era above everyone else.
Losing to someone like Fritz is inexcusable if he wants to win slams, and he lost to him both at Wim and USO this year.
We know it's all mental, but what exactly?
He hired Lendl once, which I thought was a mistake. Lendl is there to help you break the ceiling (like he did with Murray).
Is Lendl really necessary when you still haven't figured out how to reach later stages consistently? I think David Ferrer would have been a better pick at least for the first stage. And Zverev had both guys at various times. Ferrer wasn't into coaching and he returned to his family.
But with Lendl it failed after Zverev criticised him publicly "for not saying much just toying with his dog" or something like that.
So it could be that Zverev is simply very dumb?
I mean, you don't criticise Lendl in public.
Maybe he's an utter idiot and that's why he won't live up to his potential?
Is he ruined by growing up in Germany, some kind of mental schizo situation, with his family being Russian and everyone around him German and he simply isn't grounded enough?
Whatever it is, this was a very good chance for him to win a slam.

In the latter stages of the match you could see him looking up into his
box--maybe to his dad?--with that "it's so unfair, the gods are against
me"--look he often has when it starts to get a bit tough.

Contrast that with Fritz' body language out there when he fucked up a
bit, he essentially laughed it off.

I have no idea what's wrong with Zverev's head, but it appears to me to
be incurable.

...and yes, he *is* that good technically. If he had Skinner's head...

You're right, skript. This was maybe his best chance at a slam.

[Sawfish]

He isn't even making enough slam finals and reaching later rounds of slams to even register as an underachiever, lol.It's like that joke "you're so bad that you'd finish second in every competition where they pick the worst..."What's his problem?He's got flawless game, huge serve, speed, reach, return and powerful groundies.In theory he could have been even a dominant player of this era above everyone else.Losing to someone like Fritz is inexcusable if he wants to win slams, and he lost to him both at Wim and USO this year.We know it's all mental, but what exactly?He hired Lendl once, which I thought was a mistake. Lendl is there to help you break the ceiling (like he did with Murray).Is Lendl really necessary when you still haven't figured out how to reach later stages consistently? I think David Ferrer would have been a better pick at least for the first stage. And Zverev had both guys at various times. Ferrer wasn't into coaching and he returned to his family.But with Lendl it failed after Zverev criticised him publicly "for not saying much just toying with his dog" or something like that.So it could be that Zverev is simply very dumb?I mean, you don't criticise Lendl in public.Maybe he's an utter idiot and that's why he won't live up to his potential?Is he ruined by growing up in Germany, some kind of mental schizo situation, with his family being Russian and everyone around him German and he simply isn't grounded enough?Whatever it is, this was a very good chance for him to win a slam.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

Flawless game? Really?
Standing 12 ft (4 meters) behind baseline is flawless?

That's a good point.

Nadal really influenced some players in regard to where to take the
ball. Like Federer did with his 1H BH.

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[PeteWasLucky]

Nadal himself didn't stand this far on HC.

[Pelle Svanslös]

He isn't even making enough slam finals and reaching later rounds of slams to even register as an underachiever, lol.
It's like that joke "you're so bad that you'd finish second in every competition where they pick the worst..."
What's his problem?

I saw the final game of the first set where Z went down 0-40 but held
anyway thanks to the serve. Then the miserable TB.

Didn't need to see more.

Z is afraid of taking chances. He's got the biggest weppons in tennis,
yet he plays like it was a clay court. Bouncing the ball back and forth
into the middle with no intention of opening anything up. At first, I
thought there was some hidden point in playing like that. Then I wised
up. There were several yawnfest +20 stroke rallies. They were long only
because nobody tried to do anything.

[*skriptis]

On 4/09/2024 8:11 pm, *skriptis wrote:> He isn't even making enough slam finals and reaching later rounds of slams to even register as an underachiever, lol.> > It's like that joke "you're so bad that you'd finish second in every competition where they pick the worst..."> > > What's his problem?> > He's got flawless game, huge serve, speed, reach, return and powerful groundies.> > In theory he could have been even a dominant player of this era above everyone else.> > Losing to someone like Fritz is inexcusable if he wants to win slams, and he lost to him both at Wim and USO this year.> > > We know it's all mental, but what exactly?> > He hired Lendl once, which I thought was a mistake. Lendl is there to help you break the ceiling (like he did with Murray).> > Is Lendl really necessary when you still haven't figured out how to reach later stages consistently? I think David Ferrer would have been a better pick at least for the first stage. And Zverev had both guys at various times. Ferrer wasn't into coaching and he returned to his family.> > But with Lendl it failed after Zverev criticised him publicly "for not saying much just toying with his dog" or something like that.> > So it could be that Zverev is simply very dumb?> > I mean, you don't criticise Lendl in public.> > Maybe he's an utter idiot and that's why he won't live up to his potential?> > Is he ruined by growing up in Germany, some kind of mental schizo situation, with his family being Russian and everyone around him German and he simply isn't grounded enough?> > Whatever it is, this was a very good chance for him to win a slam.> > Yes I was just talking about this with friends today. He's the 5th biggest prizemoney winner of all time yet no slams. He made 2 finals and was 1 set away from winning both. He could end up like Dimitrov and Gasquet, 2 guys who looked like they could win a slam or 3 based on stroke production. He's a bit stronger than those 2 so would be even more tragic. Fritz is ok but clearly 1 dimensional, Zverev should be beating him most of the time. I wonder if his diabetes plays a role?

Generally I agree with you and I questioned diabetes myself. But I failed to see how or when it affects him?

With Sampras' anemia you knew he sucked at endurance. But Zverev, how?

Maybe his mental lapses are all about sugar levels going up and down and affecting him?


And yes, he's level or many levels above someone like Gasquet. All that Gasquet has that's comparable to top stuff is backhand and just a portion of backhand (I'm not sure his backhand is a great defensive shot and so on).

Zverev is the polar opposite, he has it all.

[*skriptis]

Is this a language barrier or what?

Standing on return is your own choice.

[PeteWasLucky]

It's not even funny

Check the rallies in this highlight

[PeteWasLucky]

Not just the return.

[*skriptis]

On 9/4/24 3:11 AM, *skriptis wrote:> He isn't even making enough slam finals and reaching later rounds of slams to even register as an underachiever, lol.> > It's like that joke "you're so bad that you'd finish second in every competition where they pick the worst..."> > > What's his problem?> > He's got flawless game, huge serve, speed, reach, return and powerful groundies.> > In theory he could have been even a dominant player of this era above everyone else.> > Losing to someone like Fritz is inexcusable if he wants to win slams, and he lost to him both at Wim and USO this year.> > > We know it's all mental, but what exactly?> > He hired Lendl once, which I thought was a mistake. Lendl is there to help you break the ceiling (like he did with Murray).> > Is Lendl really necessary when you still haven't figured out how to reach later stages consistently? I think David Ferrer would have been a better pick at least for the first stage. And Zverev had both guys at various times. Ferrer wasn't into coaching and he returned to his family.> > But with Lendl it failed after Zverev criticised him publicly "for not saying much just toying with his dog" or something like that.> > So it could be that Zverev is simply very dumb?> > I mean, you don't criticise Lendl in public.> > Maybe he's an utter idiot and that's why he won't live up to his potential?> > Is he ruined by growing up in Germany, some kind of mental schizo situation, with his family being Russian and everyone around him German and he simply isn't grounded enough?> > Whatever it is, this was a very good chance for him to win a slam.> > In the latter stages of the match you could see him looking up into his box--maybe to his dad?--with that "it's so unfair, the gods are against me"--look he often has when it starts to get a bit tough.Contrast that with Fritz' body language out there when he fucked up a bit, he essentially laughed it off.I have no idea what's wrong with Zverev's head, but it appears to me to be incurable....and yes, he *is* that good technically. If he had Skinner's head...You're right, skript. This was maybe his best chance at a slam.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting."--Charles Bukowski~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I even picked him for the contest to make the final.

I assumed Djokovic would likely win if he makes the final (or I hoped so) but was very unsure he'd make it, and alternatively Zverev seemed like a great pick from that part of the draw, I mean, it screamed "what a chance".

[Whisper]

Post by *skriptis

On 9/4/24 3:11 AM, *skriptis wrote:> He isn't even making enough slam finals and reaching later rounds of slams to even register as an underachiever, lol.> > It's like that joke "you're so bad that you'd finish second in every competition where they pick the worst..."> > > What's his problem?> > He's got flawless game, huge serve, speed, reach, return and powerful groundies.> > In theory he could have been even a dominant player of this era above everyone else.> > Losing to someone like Fritz is inexcusable if he wants to win slams, and he lost to him both at Wim and USO this year.> > > We know it's all mental, but what exactly?> > He hired Lendl once, which I thought was a mistake. Lendl is there to help you break the ceiling (like he did with Murray).> > Is Lendl really necessary when you still haven't figured out how to reach later stages consistently? I think David Ferrer would have been a better pick at least for the first stage. And Zverev had both guys at various times. Ferrer wasn't into coaching and he returned to his family.> > But with Lendl it failed after Zverev criticised him publicly "for not saying much just toying with his dog" or something like that.> > So it could be that Zverev is simply very dumb?> > I mean, you don't criticise Lendl in public.> > Maybe he's an utter idiot and that's why he won't live up to his potential?> > Is he ruined by growing up in Germany, some kind of mental schizo situation, with his family being Russian and everyone around him German and he simply isn't grounded enough?> > Whatever it is, this was a very good chance for him to win a slam.> > In the latter stages of the match you could see him looking up into his box--maybe to his dad?--with that "it's so unfair, the gods are against me"--look he often has when it starts to get a bit tough.Contrast that with Fritz' body language out there when he fucked up a bit, he essentially laughed it off.I have no idea what's wrong with Zverev's head, but it appears to me to be incurable....and yes, he *is* that good technically. If he had Skinner's head...You're right, skript. This was maybe his best chance at a slam.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting."--Charles Bukowski~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I even picked him for the contest to make the final.
I assumed Djokovic would likely win if he makes the final (or I hoped so) but was very unsure he'd make it, and alternatively Zverev seemed like a great pick from that part of the draw, I mean, it screamed "what a chance".

Yep, after Novak and Carlos were eliminated I figured a Sinner v Zverev
final.

So looks like there is no new big 3 on the horizon just the big 2? It's
like Federer v Nadal all over again or Evert v Navratilova, and daylight
3rd. Will there be a new Novak to upset the apple cart? I had high
hopes for Rune but when you look at it he's only had a couple of good
tournaments and has

[PeteWasLucky]

He isn't even making enough slam finals and reaching later rounds of slams to even register as an underachiever, lol.It's like that joke "you're so bad that you'd finish second in every competition where they pick the worst..."What's his problem?He's got flawless game, huge serve, speed, reach, return and powerful groundies.In theory he could have been even a dominant player of this era above everyone else.Losing to someone like Fritz is inexcusable if he wants to win slams, and he lost to him both at Wim and USO this year.We know it's all mental, but what exactly?He hired Lendl once, which I thought was a mistake. Lendl is there to help you break the ceiling (like he did with Murray).Is Lendl really necessary when you still haven't figured out how to reach later stages consistently? I think David Ferrer would have been a better pick at least for the first stage. And Zverev had both guys at various times. Ferrer wasn't into coaching and he returned to his family.But with Lendl it failed after Zverev criticised him publicly "for not saying much just toying with his dog" or something like that.So it could be that Zverev is simply very dumb?I mean, you don't criticise Lendl in public.Maybe he's an utter idiot and that's why he won't live up to his potential?Is he ruined by growing up in Germany, some kind of mental schizo situation, with his family being Russian and everyone around him German and he simply isn't grounded enough?Whatever it is, this was a very good chance for him to win a slam.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

Flawless game? Really?

Standing 12 ft (4 meters) behind baseline is flawless?