Post by PeteWasLuckylol, he will be escorted out by military or secret service if he
refuses to leave. Is this the collusion you are talking
about?
There are nuances to the idea that Trump might try to stay after his
term ends, should he win this Nov; I, for one, seriously worry that he
wouldn't step down. But we've got to put our objective thinking caps on...
We've seen Trump in office, did it appear to anyone reading that he had
much influence over the covert agencies like the CIA or FBI or National
Security? As I recall, he was pretty much at war with all agencies. He
seemed to have a tough time wielding power except thru executive order,
which congress can over-ride if they want.
Nor did it appear to me that the military organization liked him all
that much--although at no time in my life did the military appear to
take any direct interest in civilian policy making--which sets us apart
from the S American nations, where it's almost a tradition for the
military to butt in, like in ancient Rome.
I hear much talk talk about the Supreme Court being in his pocket, but
thinking back and comparing thru out my lifetime, it looks to me like
what happens is that the court, composed of 9 presidentially appointed
judges, confirmed by the Senate, I think, may happen to lean politically
either liberal interpretation, centrist, or conservative, and if the
majority is of the same philosophical mindset as the sitting president,
he'll tend to get more decisions he likes.
And this is especially true if he has appointed some of them, although
again, they will have had to also gotten Senate approval, which tends to
moderate the extremes. It's what happened to Bork and Garland, most
recently. So it *does* happen, and here's a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsuccessful_nominations_to_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States#List_of_unsuccessful_nominations
But beyond that, once installed they're in for life except for
remarkably bad behavior. I'm not personally aware of any justices being
removed. So the point is this: neither the president or anyone else can
do jack shit to the justices, so they can't be beholden to anyone for
being appointed and approved. They could, for sure, "go Souter" easily
enough. He was appointed by GHW Bush, a conservative pres, and was a
remarkable liberal. Then, appointed by the same pres, you had Thomas.
So it's really difficult to see that a president, or congress, has any
lasting influence with a supreme court justice. It's much more likely
that they might be bribed by external interests than it is for them to
do things the president *likes*, simply because they're grateful, or
that because he's such a good guy.
So really, until someone can demonstrate concretely otherwise, when
someone suggests that the court if in a given president's pocket, this
is a crock of manipulative shit. It is at best extremely fanciful
thinking, close kin to conspiracy theory nutcases.
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--Sawfish
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