US Open 2024: Jack Draper to the semis!

[Whisper]

Hello!
When the US Open 2024 started, not many would
have believed it, but Jack Draper is through
to the semifinals! It was a great win against
Alex De Minaur, but De Minaur may have suffered
from some kind of physical issues during the match.
Anyway, De Minaur did not retire so his
problems were not that serious.
Congratulations to Jack Draper, his team
and the British people!
Now I am hoping that Sinner will crush Medvedev
in the last remaining quarter final. Due to
the time zone differences, I am unable to watch
that match.
br,
KK

What were the odds Draper would be in the semis without dropping a set?

Sinner will skin him alive but it was a great run.

[Sawfish]

Post by Whisper

Hello!
When the US Open 2024 started, not many would
have believed it, but Jack Draper is through
to the semifinals! It was a great win against
Alex De Minaur, but De Minaur may have suffered
from some kind of physical issues during the match.
Anyway, De Minaur did not retire so his
problems were not that serious.
Congratulations to Jack Draper, his team
and the British people!
Now I am hoping that Sinner will crush Medvedev
in the last remaining quarter final. Due to
the time zone differences, I am unable to watch
that match.
br,
KK

What were the odds Draper would be in the semis without dropping a set?
Sinner will skin him alive but it was a great run.

Skinner looks completely unstoppable for this tournament. It would be
hard to back any remaining player vs him in the final.

[PeteWasLucky]

On 9/5/24 6:00 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 5/09/2024 6:39 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:>> Hello!>>>> When the US Open 2024 started, not many would>> have believed it, but Jack Draper is through>> to the semifinals! It was a great win against>> Alex De Minaur, but De Minaur may have suffered>> from some kind of physical issues during the match.>>>> Anyway, De Minaur did not retire so his>> problems were not that serious.>>>> Congratulations to Jack Draper, his team>> and the British people!>>>> Now I am hoping that Sinner will crush Medvedev>> in the last remaining quarter final. Due to>> the time zone differences, I am unable to watch>> that match.>>>> br,>> KK> > > > What were the odds Draper would be in the semis without dropping a set?> > Sinner will skin him alive but it was a great run.Skinner looks completely unstoppable for this tournament. It would be hard to back any remaining player vs him in the final.-- --Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Would someone please tell me what 'diddy-wah-diddy' means?"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dope is good.

[Sawfish]

Post by PeteWasLucky

On 9/5/24 6:00 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 5/09/2024 6:39 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:>> Hello!>>>> When the US Open 2024 started, not many would>> have believed it, but Jack Draper is through>> to the semifinals! It was a great win against>> Alex De Minaur, but De Minaur may have suffered>> from some kind of physical issues during the match.>>>> Anyway, De Minaur did not retire so his>> problems were not that serious.>>>> Congratulations to Jack Draper, his team>> and the British people!>>>> Now I am hoping that Sinner will crush Medvedev>> in the last remaining quarter final. Due to>> the time zone differences, I am unable to watch>> that match.>>>> br,>> KK> > > > What were the odds Draper would be in the semis without dropping a set?> > Sinner will skin him alive but it was a great run.Skinner looks completely unstoppable for this tournament. It would be hard to back any remaining player vs him in the final.-- --Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Would someone please tell me what 'diddy-wah-diddy' means?"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dope is good.

Here's a thought experiment...

What if the professional sanctioning bodies removed all restrictions on
chemical/medicinal enhancements, and retained only a screening for
biological sex--an XX vs XY separation of players?

Pete, you know I'm not baiting you, I'd like to think it thru. For
myself, intuitively I'd not like it, but I'd like to explore what the
probably results might be.

E.g., there's be some extreme cases in which athletes would endanger
their own health in the short-to-intermediate term, perhaps.

It might be that performance could be enhanced so much that the physics
of the contests would require some changes to court sizes and equipment.
The game might become almost unrecognizable.

Others?

--
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"I done created myself a monster."

--Boxing trainer Pappy Gault, on George Foreman
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[*skriptis]

Doesn't seem inspiring.


People like Djokovic who care about their bodies, would win nothing, and you'd have multiple doped winners who would juice to win a slam or two and then disappear.

And if they weren't intent on stopping after few wins, if they planned to do it long term, then they'd probably win more, but they'd fuck their bodies and would die while still active or very short afterwards.

[Sawfish]

Post by *skriptis
Doesn't seem inspiring.
People like Djokovic who care about their bodies, would win nothing, and you'd have multiple doped winners who would juice to win a slam or two and then disappear.
And if they weren't intent on stopping after few wins, if they planned to do it long term, then they'd probably win more, but they'd fuck their bodies and would die while still active or very short afterwards.

Do you suppose that you'd see testosterone enhancement for both male and
female players? This then might really hurt the women's side, where
there's a lot of cheesecake coverage on line.

I wonder where the norms of drug/hormone enhancement would evolve to? I
mean at one extreme you'd have a losing record, and at the other death
and/or marginal health. Since a lot of the successful competitive types
commit to the idea of "no compromise" I think that many would cheerfully
endanger their own heath for short term success.


I think that the women's side would really be hurt in
attendance/viewership, much more than the male side.

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Sawfish: A totally unreconstructed elasmobranch.
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[PeteWasLucky]

Interesting point, Saw.

I have never thought about testosterone.

Is this illegal in women sports?

[jdeluise]

Post by PeteWasLucky
Interesting point, Saw.
I have never thought about testosterone.
Is this illegal in women sports?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone_regulations_in_women%27s_athletics

[Sawfish]

Post by jdeluise

Post by PeteWasLucky
Interesting point, Saw.
I have never thought about testosterone.
Is this illegal in women sports?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone_regulations_in_women%27s_athletics

Hah! Same reference I used.

Great minds think alike...

[Whisper]

Post by Sawfish

Post by jdeluise

Post by PeteWasLucky
Interesting point, Saw.
I have never thought about testosterone.
Is this illegal in women sports?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone_regulations_in_women%27s_athletics

Hah! Same reference I used.
Great minds think alike...

Or fools never differ?

: )

[Sawfish]

Post by Whisper

Post by Sawfish

Post by jdeluise

Post by PeteWasLucky
Interesting point, Saw.
I have never thought about testosterone.
Is this illegal in women sports?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone_regulations_in_women%27s_athletics

Hah! Same reference I used.
Great minds think alike...

Or fools never differ?
: )

Well, there's always that, but I like it the other way better.

[Sawfish]

Post by PeteWasLucky
Interesting point, Saw.
I have never thought about testosterone.
Is this illegal in women sports?

It's all over the board;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone_regulations_in_women%27s_athletics

Reading this one comes away thinking that the governing bodies are very
reluctant to make any definitive rules for fear of criticism by activist
organizations and all those sympathetic to transgender prerogatives.

It's interesting to note--and completely intuitive--that there are no
issues with athletes with elevated female hormone levels competing in
men's sports, only the reverse.

--
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"Doncha know,
That it's a shame and a pity
You were raised
Up in the city
And you never learned nothin'
'bout country ways."


--Not So Sweet Martha Lorraine
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[PeteWasLucky]

I agree, it appears so.

[PeteWasLucky]

I really have no problem with this, but the major issue I see is that top athletes motivate other people to play the sport and stay healthy while they become their idols. So imagine having idols that are proud to be dopers and how this will impact the health of younger generations.
For me for example, I loved Boris when I was young, then Sampras followed by Federer that kept me active and motivated to stay fit.
Would I have been motivated to play like Roger and staying fit like him if he was known to be a doper? I am sure the outcome would be different. Probably I would have told myself, forget it, there is no way to be very fit without juicing.

[Whisper]

Post by Sawfish

Post by PeteWasLucky

On 9/5/24 6:00 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 5/09/2024 6:39 am, Kalevi
Kolttonen wrote:>> Hello!>>>> When the US Open 2024 started, not many
would>> have believed it, but Jack Draper is through>> to the
semifinals! It was a great win against>> Alex De Minaur, but De
Minaur may have suffered>> from some kind of physical issues during
the match.>>>> Anyway, De Minaur did not retire so his>> problems
were not that serious.>>>> Congratulations to Jack Draper, his team>>
and the British people!>>>> Now I am hoping that Sinner will crush
Medvedev>> in the last remaining quarter final. Due to>> the time
zone differences, I am unable to watch>> that match.>>>> br,>> KK> >

Post by Whisper
What were the odds Draper would be in the semis without dropping

a set?> > Sinner will skin him alive but it was a great run.Skinner
looks completely unstoppable for this tournament. It would be hard to
back any remaining player vs him in the final.--
--Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~        "Would someone please tell me what 'diddy-wah-diddy' means?"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dope is good.

Here's a thought experiment...
What if the professional sanctioning bodies removed all restrictions on
chemical/medicinal enhancements, and retained only a screening for
biological sex--an XX vs XY separation of players?
Pete, you know I'm not baiting you, I'd like to think it thru. For
myself, intuitively I'd not like it, but I'd like to explore what the
probably results might be.
E.g., there's be some extreme cases in which athletes would endanger
their own health in the short-to-intermediate term, perhaps.
It might be that performance could be enhanced so much that the physics
of the contests would require some changes to court sizes and equipment.
The game might become almost unrecognizable.
Others?

One of my bug bears is the number of withdrawals due to injury etc. If
juicing could eliminate that I'd almost vote for it. Tennis is sport
but also entertainment. Fans can go to great expense and effort to get
to matches like they might for a concert - eg travel, book flights and
hotels etc. Just look at the Paolini v Pliskova match the other day,
they played 2 points and Pliskova pulled up lame due to some mysterious
ankle injury. So you get your beers and some food and before you can
settle in your seat the umpire calls match over. Ridiculous. In soccer
and other team sports you just replace the player.

[Scall5]

Post by Sawfish

Post by PeteWasLucky

On 9/5/24 6:00 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 5/09/2024 6:39 am, Kalevi
Kolttonen wrote:>> Hello!>>>> When the US Open 2024 started, not
many would>> have believed it, but Jack Draper is through>> to the
semifinals! It was a great win against>> Alex De Minaur, but De
Minaur may have suffered>> from some kind of physical issues during
the match.>>>> Anyway, De Minaur did not retire so his>> problems
were not that serious.>>>> Congratulations to Jack Draper, his
team>> and the British people!>>>> Now I am hoping that Sinner will
crush Medvedev>> in the last remaining quarter final. Due to>> the
time zone differences, I am unable to watch>> that match.>>>> br,>>
KK> > > > What were the odds Draper would be in the semis without
dropping a set?> > Sinner will skin him alive but it was a great
run.Skinner looks completely unstoppable for this tournament. It
would be hard to back any remaining player vs him in the final.--
--Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~        "Would someone please tell me what 'diddy-wah-diddy' means?"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dope is good.

Here's a thought experiment...
What if the professional sanctioning bodies removed all restrictions
on chemical/medicinal enhancements, and retained only a screening for
biological sex--an XX vs XY separation of players?
Pete, you know I'm not baiting you, I'd like to think it thru. For
myself, intuitively I'd not like it, but I'd like to explore what the
probably results might be.
E.g., there's be some extreme cases in which athletes would endanger
their own health in the short-to-intermediate term, perhaps.
It might be that performance could be enhanced so much that the
physics of the contests would require some changes to court sizes and
equipment. The game might become almost unrecognizable.
Others?

One of my bug bears is the number of withdrawals due to injury etc.  If
juicing could eliminate that I'd almost vote for it.  Tennis is sport
but also entertainment.  Fans can go to great expense and effort to get
to matches like they might for a concert - eg travel, book flights and
hotels etc.  Just look at the Paolini v Pliskova match the other day,
they played 2 points and Pliskova pulled up lame due to some mysterious
ankle injury.  So you get your beers and some food and before you can
settle in your seat the umpire calls match over.  Ridiculous.  In soccer
and other team sports you just replace the player.

Injuries are going to happen, its unfortunate but it happens. When one
buys a ticket to an outdoor event they have to be aware that injuries or
weather may affect the match, game, or event. Sucks for those that are
there but it happens.

I think players who juice would often me more prone to injuries. Their
muscles are stronger but (from what little I know), I don't think
juicing helps ligaments, cartridge, and bone strength (much).

Steve Emtman from the NFL is a great example. It was often speculated
that he juiced and eventually his body gave out on him.

[PeteWasLucky]

On 5/09/2024 6:39 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Hello!> > When the US Open 2024 started, not many would> have believed it, but Jack Draper is through> to the semifinals! It was a great win against> Alex De Minaur, but De Minaur may have suffered> from some kind of physical issues during the match.> > Anyway, De Minaur did not retire so his> problems were not that serious.> > Congratulations to Jack Draper, his team> and the British people!> > Now I am hoping that Sinner will crush Medvedev> in the last remaining quarter final. Due to> the time zone differences, I am unable to watch> that match.> > br,> KKWhat were the odds Draper would be in the semis without dropping a set?Sinner will skin him alive but it was a great run.

Sinner the doper, yes for sure.

[Scall5]

Post by PeteWasLucky

On 5/09/2024 6:39 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Hello!> > When the US Open 2024 started, not many would> have believed it, but Jack Draper is through> to the semifinals! It was a great win against> Alex De Minaur, but De Minaur may have suffered> from some kind of physical issues during the match.> > Anyway, De Minaur did not retire so his> problems were not that serious.> > Congratulations to Jack Draper, his team> and the British people!> > Now I am hoping that Sinner will crush Medvedev> in the last remaining quarter final. Due to> the time zone differences, I am unable to watch> that match.> > br,> KKWhat were the odds Draper would be in the semis without dropping a set?Sinner will skin him alive but it was a great run.

Sinner the doper, yes for sure.

Court1 said ALL players dope. And she is a legal analysis. Therefore she
is (was) right...

Sarcasm off.