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Scall5
2024-08-09 02:46:25 UTC
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Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets at the
Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying enough tears to
fill Lake Erie.

Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after this
horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically lesser-minded former
tennis champ...

Just my two cents...
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2024-08-09 06:10:46 UTC
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Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets at the Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying enough tears to fill Lake Erie.Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after this horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically lesser-minded former tennis champ...Just my two cents...-- ---------------Scall5
Amazing that she actually chose to represent Japan and US and western media adore her nevertheless and she's a hero of theirs.

Why would nominally a Japanese player incite so much interest?

It's because she's a rare example of promoted race mixing, African + Asian.

So she's precious to them in a way.
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Sawfish
2024-08-09 15:09:22 UTC
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Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets at the Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying enough tears to fill Lake Erie.Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after this horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically lesser-minded former tennis champ...Just my two cents...-- ---------------Scall5
Amazing that she actually chose to represent Japan and US and western media adore her nevertheless and she's a hero of theirs.
Why would nominally a Japanese player incite so much interest?
It's because she's a rare example of promoted race mixing, African + Asian.
So she's precious to them in a way.
I think it's different here in the Anglo west, skript.

I don't perceive any great popular affinity for race-mixing--after all,
my own daughter is bi-racial and I can see how she and any similar
racially mixed friends are generally viewed. It's either neutral or
slightly negatively, with a few note-worthy exceptions.

No, what's going on here is that she's viewed as black, and no Caucasian
can do anything other than treat blacks as simply precious little
children when in public. In fact, many white people try outdo each other
in praise and awe when publicly speaking about black people; this is of
course an example of virtue signaling.

It's that simple.
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2024-08-11 06:35:19 UTC
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I think it's different here in the Anglo west,
skript.
I don't perceive any great popular affinity for
race-mixing--after all, my own daughter is bi-racial and I can
see how she and any similar racially mixed friends are generally
viewed. It's either neutral or slightly negatively, with a few
note-worthy exceptions.
No, what's going on here is that she's viewed as
black, and no Caucasian can do anything other than treat blacks
as simply precious little children when in public. In fact, many
white people try outdo each other in praise and awe when
publicly speaking about black people; this is of course an
example of virtue signaling.
It's that simple.
But I don't understand that.

If anything, there should be a sense of guilt towards the redskins in America?

It's theirs land you've stolen, occupied, exploited and taken for yourself.

It's them whom you've genocided and ethnically cleansed from most of the continent and reduced them to extremely small numbers in isolated areas.

It's theirs people that barely exist nowadays.



Blacks are not the victims at all, they're co-participants with whites in this huge project of land theft.

I guess you could argue that their ancestors (ancestors of US blacks) were the victims being brought as slaves, however that one is doubtful too.

Being a slave under a Christian rule was probably better than being in a jungle or savannah with lions and other wild beats, diseases and your fellow Africans who were cannibals and who were the ones who actually captured you and sold you to slavery?

I won't go into this stuff really, but slavery has existed throughout history, I am sure 19th century slave in the US had it better than some slave in Europe in medieval era or during antiquity or a Christian slave under Moslem yoke.

I mean have black slaves in the US ever fought to death to amuse their masters, like Roman slaves who were forced to do that in Colosseum?

Was that happening?



So my points are:

Yes slavery is bad, but let's get real. Black slaves in the US were probably the most privileged slaves in history across all cultures.

Not only that, unlike most of other cases, their base or starting position was really extremely bad (life in Africa among wild beats and fellow Africans who ate humans) that in some ways you could hardly interpret their slavery as an enormous loss of human rights (from present day point of view) or even a life quality in that time.

It's still bad, and I will say it was wrong to remove them from their natural habitat regardless of whether you brought an improvement or worsening to them, as I'm kinda Star Trek Prime Directive adherent, but realistically it might have been even an improvement in their case.

And it's definitely a blessing for their descendants nowadays who found themselves in a more prosperous country compared to any African country they might be nowadays in.

So blacks should pay to the descendants of whites who brought them to America.



However having said all that, I fail to see what a Haitian black (Osaka's father) has to do with USA?

What is it that "you" might owe him?
He's not ab American, nor a black from US.

He's from Haiti.

Haiti has a nigger revolt in 1804, they killed all the French overlords and broke free becoming a free nation. They've enjoyed freedom and sovereignty for the past 220 years.




At least in the 60s or 70s, in counterculture efforts there has been a focus on native Americans, however nowadays it's all about blacks and race mixing.

The "our people and our soil" theme has deemed to racist and obsolete so not even the redskins get to talk in those terms, no?
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Scall5
2024-08-11 14:53:16 UTC
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I think it's different here in the Anglo west,
skript.
I don't perceive any great popular affinity for
race-mixing--after all, my own daughter is bi-racial and I can
see how she and any similar racially mixed friends are generally
viewed. It's either neutral or slightly negatively, with a few
note-worthy exceptions.
No, what's going on here is that she's viewed as
black, and no Caucasian can do anything other than treat blacks
as simply precious little children when in public. In fact, many
white people try outdo each other in praise and awe when
publicly speaking about black people; this is of course an
example of virtue signaling.
It's that simple.
But I don't understand that.
If anything, there should be a sense of guilt towards the redskins in America?
It's theirs land you've stolen, occupied, exploited and taken for yourself.
It's them whom you've genocided and ethnically cleansed from most of the continent and reduced them to extremely small numbers in isolated areas.
It's theirs people that barely exist nowadays.
Blacks are not the victims at all, they're co-participants with whites in this huge project of land theft.
I guess you could argue that their ancestors (ancestors of US blacks) were the victims being brought as slaves, however that one is doubtful too.
Being a slave under a Christian rule was probably better than being in a jungle or savannah with lions and other wild beats, diseases and your fellow Africans who were cannibals and who were the ones who actually captured you and sold you to slavery?
I won't go into this stuff really, but slavery has existed throughout history, I am sure 19th century slave in the US had it better than some slave in Europe in medieval era or during antiquity or a Christian slave under Moslem yoke.
I mean have black slaves in the US ever fought to death to amuse their masters, like Roman slaves who were forced to do that in Colosseum?
Was that happening?
Yes slavery is bad, but let's get real. Black slaves in the US were probably the most privileged slaves in history across all cultures.
Not only that, unlike most of other cases, their base or starting position was really extremely bad (life in Africa among wild beats and fellow Africans who ate humans) that in some ways you could hardly interpret their slavery as an enormous loss of human rights (from present day point of view) or even a life quality in that time.
It's still bad, and I will say it was wrong to remove them from their natural habitat regardless of whether you brought an improvement or worsening to them, as I'm kinda Star Trek Prime Directive adherent, but realistically it might have been even an improvement in their case.
And it's definitely a blessing for their descendants nowadays who found themselves in a more prosperous country compared to any African country they might be nowadays in.
So blacks should pay to the descendants of whites who brought them to America.
However having said all that, I fail to see what a Haitian black (Osaka's father) has to do with USA?
What is it that "you" might owe him?
He's not ab American, nor a black from US.
He's from Haiti.
Haiti has a nigger revolt in 1804, they killed all the French overlords and broke free becoming a free nation. They've enjoyed freedom and sovereignty for the past 220 years.
At least in the 60s or 70s, in counterculture efforts there has been a focus on native Americans, however nowadays it's all about blacks and race mixing.
The "our people and our soil" theme has deemed to racist and obsolete so not even the redskins get to talk in those terms, no?
Why am I not seeing Sawfish's posts? I am using eternal-september and
Thunderbird.
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*skriptis
2024-08-11 15:06:25 UTC
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It's within reply. At least for me.
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Scall5
2024-08-11 15:09:05 UTC
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Post by Scall5
Why am I not seeing Sawfish's posts? I am using eternal-september and
Thunderbird.
As of 2 minutes ago I am now seeing his posts again. Odd.
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2024-08-11 15:13:57 UTC
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As of 2 minutes ago I am now seeing his posts again. Odd.--

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Pelle Svanslös
2024-08-11 15:15:29 UTC
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Post by Scall5
Post by *skriptis
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     I think it's different here in the Anglo west,
         skript.
     I don't perceive any great popular affinity for
         race-mixing--after all, my own daughter is bi-racial and I can
         see how she and any similar racially mixed friends are
generally
         viewed. It's either neutral or slightly negatively, with a few
         note-worthy exceptions.
     No, what's going on here is that she's viewed as
         black, and no Caucasian can do anything other than treat blacks
         as simply precious little children when in public. In fact,
many
         white people try outdo each other in praise and awe when
         publicly speaking about black people; this is of course an
         example of virtue signaling.
     It's that simple.
But I don't understand that.
If anything, there should be a sense of guilt towards the redskins in America?
It's theirs land you've stolen, occupied, exploited and taken for yourself.
It's them whom you've genocided and ethnically cleansed from most of
the continent and reduced them to extremely small numbers in isolated
areas.
It's theirs people that barely exist nowadays.
Blacks are not the victims at all, they're co-participants with whites
in this huge project of land theft.
I guess you could argue that their ancestors (ancestors of US blacks)
were the victims being brought as slaves, however that one is doubtful
too.
Being a slave under a Christian rule was probably better than being in
a jungle or savannah with lions and other wild beats, diseases and
your fellow Africans who were cannibals and who were the ones who
actually captured you and sold you to slavery?
I won't go into this stuff really, but slavery has existed throughout
history, I am sure 19th century slave in the US had it better than
some slave in Europe in medieval era or during antiquity or a
Christian slave under Moslem yoke.
I mean have black slaves in the US ever fought to death to amuse their
masters, like Roman slaves who were forced to do that in Colosseum?
Was that happening?
Yes slavery is bad, but let's get real. Black slaves in the US were
probably the most privileged slaves in history across all cultures.
Not only that, unlike most of other cases, their base or starting
position was really extremely bad (life in Africa among wild beats and
fellow Africans who ate humans) that in some ways you could hardly
interpret their slavery as an enormous loss of human rights (from
present day point of view) or even a life quality in that time.
It's still bad, and I will say it was wrong to remove them from their
natural habitat regardless of whether you brought an improvement or
worsening to them, as I'm kinda Star Trek Prime Directive adherent,
but realistically it might have been even an improvement in their case.
And it's definitely a blessing for their descendants nowadays who
found themselves in a more prosperous country compared to any African
country they might be nowadays in.
So blacks should pay to the descendants of whites who brought them to America.
However having said all that, I fail to see what a Haitian black
(Osaka's father) has to do with USA?
What is it that "you" might owe him?
He's not ab American, nor a black from US.
He's from Haiti.
Haiti has a nigger revolt in 1804, they killed all the French
overlords and broke free becoming a free nation. They've enjoyed
freedom and sovereignty for the past 220 years.
At least in the 60s or 70s, in counterculture efforts there has been a
focus on native Americans, however nowadays it's all about blacks and
race mixing.
The "our people and our soil" theme has deemed to racist and obsolete
so not even the redskins get to talk in those terms, no?
Why am I not seeing Sawfish's posts? I am using eternal-september and
Thunderbird.
I have the same, um, issue. Not that I'm missing anything. For a short
while, ES used to cancel posts by our twins too. I didn't miss anything
then either.

Could this be a coincidence?
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Sawfish
2024-08-11 15:31:25 UTC
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Post by Scall5
Post by *skriptis
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     I think it's different here in the Anglo west,
         skript.
     I don't perceive any great popular affinity for
         race-mixing--after all, my own daughter is bi-racial and I can
         see how she and any similar racially mixed friends are
generally
         viewed. It's either neutral or slightly negatively, with a few
         note-worthy exceptions.
     No, what's going on here is that she's viewed as
         black, and no Caucasian can do anything other than treat
blacks
         as simply precious little children when in public. In fact,
many
         white people try outdo each other in praise and awe when
         publicly speaking about black people; this is of course an
         example of virtue signaling.
     It's that simple.
But I don't understand that.
If anything, there should be a sense of guilt towards the redskins in America?
It's theirs land you've stolen, occupied, exploited and taken for yourself.
It's them whom you've genocided and ethnically cleansed from most of
the continent and reduced them to extremely small numbers in isolated
areas.
It's theirs people that barely exist nowadays.
Blacks are not the victims at all, they're co-participants with
whites in this huge project of land theft.
I guess you could argue that their ancestors (ancestors of US blacks)
were the victims being brought as slaves, however that one is
doubtful too.
Being a slave under a Christian rule was probably better than being
in a jungle or savannah with lions and other wild beats, diseases and
your fellow Africans who were cannibals and who were the ones who
actually captured you and sold you to slavery?
I won't go into this stuff really, but slavery has existed throughout
history, I am sure 19th century slave in the US had it better than
some slave in Europe in medieval era or during antiquity or a
Christian slave under Moslem yoke.
I mean have black slaves in the US ever fought to death to amuse
their masters, like Roman slaves who were forced to do that in
Colosseum?
Was that happening?
Yes slavery is bad, but let's get real. Black slaves in the US were
probably the most privileged slaves in history across all cultures.
Not only that, unlike most of other cases, their base or starting
position was really extremely bad (life in Africa among wild beats
and fellow Africans who ate humans) that in some ways you could
hardly interpret their slavery as an enormous loss of human rights
(from present day point of view) or even a life quality in that time.
It's still bad, and I will say it was wrong to remove them from their
natural habitat regardless of whether you brought an improvement or
worsening to them, as I'm kinda Star Trek Prime Directive adherent,
but realistically it might have been even an improvement in their case.
And it's definitely a blessing for their descendants nowadays who
found themselves in a more prosperous country compared to any African
country they might be nowadays in.
So blacks should pay to the descendants of whites who brought them to America.
However having said all that, I fail to see what a Haitian black
(Osaka's father) has to do with USA?
What is it that "you" might owe him?
He's not ab American, nor a black from US.
He's from Haiti.
Haiti has a nigger revolt in 1804, they killed all the French
overlords and broke free becoming a free nation. They've enjoyed
freedom and sovereignty for the past 220 years.
At least in the 60s or 70s, in counterculture efforts there has been
a focus on native Americans, however nowadays it's all about blacks
and race mixing.
The "our people and our soil" theme has deemed to racist and obsolete
so not even the redskins get to talk in those terms, no?
Why am I not seeing Sawfish's posts? I am using eternal-september and
Thunderbird.
I've suspected this for a while.

I'm using XLned as the NTTP server and Tbird.

I'll try eternal-september again, maybe.
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jdeluise
2024-08-11 21:01:17 UTC
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Post by Sawfish
I've suspected this for a while.
I'm using XLned as the NTTP server and Tbird.
I'll try eternal-september again, maybe.
You've been sending a lot of multipart messages (html and text)
lately. It's not exactly welcomed on text-based groups. Perhaps
eternal-september is filtering them out.
Scall5
2024-08-11 23:38:53 UTC
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Post by Sawfish
I've suspected this for a while.
I'm using XLned as the NTTP server and Tbird.
I'll try eternal-september again, maybe.
You've been sending a lot of multipart messages (html and text) lately.
It's not exactly welcomed on text-based groups.  Perhaps
eternal-september is filtering them out.
That would make sense.
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Sawfish
2024-08-12 01:06:04 UTC
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Post by jdeluise
Post by Sawfish
I've suspected this for a while.
I'm using XLned as the NTTP server and Tbird.
I'll try eternal-september again, maybe.
You've been sending a lot of multipart messages (html and text)
lately.  It's not exactly welcomed on text-based groups.  Perhaps
eternal-september is filtering them out.
That's the main reason I went to XLned. They will accept and send HTML
formatted posts, although I think they may reduce them to plain text
before posting them to the group.

I found that often I wanted to copy/quote something from a website,
paste in into my Tbird compose window. It would often be a piece of
HTML, and eternal september would not send it until I had changed it to
plain text manually.
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Sawfish
2024-08-11 15:02:20 UTC
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Post by Sawfish
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I think it's different here in the Anglo west,
skript.
I don't perceive any great popular affinity for
race-mixing--after all, my own daughter is bi-racial and I can
see how she and any similar racially mixed friends are generally
viewed. It's either neutral or slightly negatively, with a few
note-worthy exceptions.
No, what's going on here is that she's viewed as
black, and no Caucasian can do anything other than treat blacks
as simply precious little children when in public. In fact, many
white people try outdo each other in praise and awe when
publicly speaking about black people; this is of course an
example of virtue signaling.
It's that simple.
But I don't understand that.
That's right, skript. You don't

Over the years we've both seen in the other misconceptions about what
life is like in the other's area of the world. I have misconceptions on
what it *must* be like in the Balkans based simply on knowing my 1st gen
relatives and the few things that that leaked down to me, and also news
reports. But the problem is that I have a perceptual lens that's got a
US filter on it, and it's not really possible to adjust it myself, which
is one reason it's valuable for me to exchange with you.
Post by *skriptis
If anything, there should be a sense of guilt towards the redskins in America?
There is, but less so.

I've read a lot about what happened to them from just after the arrival
of Europeans in N America, and especially in what's now the US and
Mexico. In the US is was a sort of informal genocide. Because the
Spanish wanted to use the Indians for labor--enslave them, either
legally or de facto--they tended not to exterminate them. Plus they were
more politically unified in Mexico than in most of the US. The exception
there was the Iroquois league.

But so what? This sort of thing happened ALL THE TIME in recorded
history and since we see no full blood Neanderthals or Denisovans
anywhere, we can see it also happened in prehistory. The men were killed
and some of the women impregnated and enslaved, most likely.

That's life.
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It's theirs land you've stolen, occupied, exploited and taken for yourself.
It's them whom you've genocided and ethnically cleansed from most of the continent and reduced them to extremely small numbers in isolated areas.
It's theirs people that barely exist nowadays.
Yes. What I said.

I have no moral problems with this happening when it did; it was normal
for the preceding eras. However, the teaching of history in the US from
about 1950 onwards tended to instill a sort of cultural guilt.

Later, added to the guilt over Indians, blacks were added after the
civil rights era in the 1960s. Big difference was that there were a lot
of blacks visible and very often they are charming and likable
personalities in one-on-one situations, so it was always visible, always
in your face how people who looked like you did to these nice harmless
people.

And in point of fact black were very much more docile all thru the Jim
Crow era, which ended in the 50s, and this is real easy to figure out.
They could be killed by whites with few questions asked. It was very
close to the situation the unarmed Japanese peasantry had in relation to
the samurai class: you could be killed at whim.

So both groups evolved to being pretty docile.
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Blacks are not the victims at all, they're co-participants with whites in this huge project of land theft.
They're co-participants on a very small scale. Like any other human,
they are opportunistic.

But they had to stand aside if whites wanted what they wanted. No
question this was the case in 90% of all cases.

Again: it's in the past, not now, so people are going to have to get
over it or it'll erupt in open war eventually.

In short, like how *I* see the Balkans... ;^)
Post by *skriptis
I guess you could argue that their ancestors (ancestors of US blacks) were the victims being brought as slaves, however that one is doubtful too.
How so? In what sense is it doubtful that they were brought over as slaves?
Post by *skriptis
Being a slave under a Christian rule was probably better than being in a jungle or savannah with lions and other wild beats, diseases and your fellow Africans who were cannibals and who were the ones who actually captured you and sold you to slavery?
All true to a degree, but silly if you think that anyone but a few wimps
want to give up freedom for slavery. They only give it up if that's the
only way they have of staying alive.
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I won't go into this stuff really,
Good.
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but slavery has existed throughout history,
Yes, and I think it's still around, too. But not in the west except
under criminal conditions which are fairly hard to conceal.
Post by *skriptis
I am sure 19th century slave in the US had it better than some slave in Europe in medieval era or during antiquity or a Christian slave under Moslem yoke.
They did, probably, but they'd not make that comparison. They'd think,
as you'd think: "This fucker in no better than me and if there's a
chance, I'll run away or I'll kill him."
Post by *skriptis
I mean have black slaves in the US ever fought to death to amuse their masters, like Roman slaves who were forced to do that in Colosseum?
Was that happening?
No, and it has no bearing on this discussion. IT is a great example of
sophistry, however.
Post by *skriptis
Yes slavery is bad, but let's get real. Black slaves in the US were probably the most privileged slaves in history across all cultures.
Yes, but it's like saying that people today dying of stomach cancer have
it better than people in the past, before medically induced coma. Nobody
wants the have stomach cancer.

In honesty, I don't know why you raise these points. WE both know that
no slave compares himself to other slaves and finds contentment in
*being a slave*. He can see he's better off than X, but still wants no
master.
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Not only that, unlike most of other cases, their base or starting position was really extremely bad (life in Africa among wild beats and fellow Africans who ate humans) that in some ways you could hardly interpret their slavery as an enormous loss of human rights (from present day point of view) or even a life quality in that time.
It doesn't matter what you think about their former life in Africa,
which may/may not be an accurate portrayal. It cares what they think
about the situation.

Otherwise, you'd have people lining up to be slaves. There are cases
where parents lined up to sell their kids into slavery, but no
meaningful tendency for adults to do this to themselves, except for
modern homos doing it voluntarily and temporarily as a form of deviant
sexual stimulation.
Post by *skriptis
It's still bad, and I will say it was wrong to remove them from their natural habitat regardless of whether you brought an improvement or worsening to them, as I'm kinda Star Trek Prime Directive adherent, but realistically it might have been even an improvement in their case.
I have no problems with agreeing that the contact with Europeans/Arabs
benefited black Africans in many material ways *that they, themselves,
find positive, while the converse is negligible.
Post by *skriptis
And it's definitely a blessing for their descendants nowadays who found themselves in a more prosperous country compared to any African country they might be nowadays in.
So blacks should pay to the descendants of whites who brought them to America.
Funny conclusion. Like Swift's having Irish parents eat their kids
during the Great Famine.
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However having said all that, I fail to see what a Haitian black (Osaka's father) has to do with USA?
Nothing.

Like Obama's and Harris' black parentage; they are unrelated to US
blacks except by skin color.
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What is it that "you" might owe him?
I owe no one anything except by voluntary agreement. Everything else is
coerced from me by some level of threat. *I* decide what to feel guilty
about--if anything. No one else gets to decide for me.

So, nope, I feel no debt.
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He's not ab American, nor a black from US.
He's from Haiti.
Haiti has a nigger revolt in 1804, they killed all the French overlords and broke free becoming a free nation. They've enjoyed freedom and sovereignty for the past 220 years.
At least in the 60s or 70s, in counterculture efforts there has been a focus on native Americans, however nowadays it's all about blacks and race mixing.
You have a misconception about how race mixing is seen here, skript.

Here's the actual truth of it...

There are many woke people here who get teary-eyed over the *idea* of
black slavery inflicted by whites at some time in the past. They look at
their own skin, see it is white, and somehow in a way that is completely
alien to me, think that they, themselves, owe something to blacks who
are alive today, and whom they assume to be descendants of slaves.

It's reflexive, like a tic of some kind. A sign of mental instability.

So, these strange and feckless US whites want to pay blacks back by
having blacks rule over them, not having any fucking idea what being a
slave means.

The best they can do, however, is to get an elected leader who has a
dark skin. That's close enough to make these whites feel decent about
themselves. If they could, they'd like it to be a pure black descendant
of slaves, but the best they can do is a half black guy (Obama) whose
dad was of the governmental class in Nigeria, and possibly a woman
(Harris) whose dad was a quarter black professor from Jamaica.

It's a sickness.
Post by *skriptis
The "our people and our soil" theme has deemed to racist and obsolete so not even the redskins get to talk in those terms, no?
What!?

The Indians and the native Hawaiians talk about this *all the time*. It
is listened to with a sympathetic ear (by some, not me) but they'll not
get jack shit because these same guilt-ridden whites in the US have no
problem saying one thing but doing another. If they want something,
they'll not give it over to blacks, Indians, or Polynesians. But they
also want their cake. They want to be thought of as decent and
sensitive. So they get all weepy, and support reparations that they 
figure *you'll* pay, but that they can wriggle out of, somehow.

But don't get in between them and what they want--*even if you are
black*--because, by God, they'll eventually get it away from you.

That's the way of it in the US. So now you know.
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The Iceberg
2024-08-09 15:59:48 UTC
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Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets at the Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying enough tears to fill Lake Erie.Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after this horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically lesser-minded former tennis champ...Just my two cents...-- ---------------Scall5
Amazing that she actually chose to represent Japan and US and western media adore her nevertheless and she's a hero of theirs.
Why would nominally a Japanese player incite so much interest?
It's because she's a rare example of promoted race mixing, African + Asian.
So she's precious to them in a way.
yes well you get the same with Felix, the Canadian guy and the BBC keep
on and on about Simone Biles cos "she represents so much to so many
people beyond gymnastics".
PeteWasLucky
2024-08-09 12:41:31 UTC
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Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets at the Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying enough tears to fill Lake Erie.Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after this horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically lesser-minded former tennis champ...Just my two cents...-- ---------------Scall5
What a waste of great talent?!
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Sawfish
2024-08-09 15:13:11 UTC
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Post by PeteWasLucky
Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets at the Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying enough tears to fill Lake Erie.Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after this horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically lesser-minded former tennis champ...Just my two cents...-- ---------------Scall5
What a waste of great talent?!
Yes, agreed.

Earlier in this season, during her comeback, she looked really, really
good, and I commented to my wife that I thought that she was fully
capable of winning more majors.

But fragility set in after a couple of poor showings and she's dragging
the bottom again, it sounds like--although Mertens is competent and
consistent to the point that I see her as an over-achiever.
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Sawfish
2024-08-09 15:03:12 UTC
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Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets at the
Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying enough tears to
fill Lake Erie.
Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after this
horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically lesser-minded former
tennis champ...
Just my two cents...
Osaka is, to me, the poster child for reasons not to extend the voting
franchise so broadly.
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jdeluise
2024-08-09 18:58:33 UTC
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Post by Scall5
Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets at
the Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying
enough tears to fill
Lake Erie.
Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after
this horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically
lesser-minded former tennis
champ...
Just my two cents...
Osaka is, to me, the poster child for reasons not to extend the
voting franchise so broadly.
To my knowledge she can't vote, she relinquished her US
citizenship in 2019 for her "native Japan"...
Sawfish
2024-08-09 19:31:36 UTC
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 Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets at  the
Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying  enough tears
to fill
 Lake Erie.
 Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after  this
horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically  lesser-minded
former tennis
 champ...
 Just my two cents...
Osaka is, to me, the poster child for reasons not to extend the
voting franchise so broadly.
To my knowledge she can't vote, she relinquished her US citizenship in
2019 for her "native Japan"...
Yes.

I meant it very broadly, that someone as immature and unable to work
thru difficulties as she seems to be would have a tough time working
thru the layers of manipulative propaganda we live in daily.
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jdeluise
2024-08-09 19:39:04 UTC
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Post by Scall5
Mousey (Naomi Osaka) loses to Elise Mertens in straight sets
at the Canadian Open and the crowd/Tennis Channel was crying
enough tears
to fill
Lake Erie.
Glad the Toronto area isn't suffering from any droughts after
this horrific loss for their loud-mouthed politically
lesser-minded former tennis
champ...
Just my two cents...
Osaka is, to me, the poster child for reasons not to extend the
voting franchise so broadly.
To my knowledge she can't vote, she relinquished her US
citizenship in 2019 for her "native Japan"...
Yes.
I meant it very broadly, that someone as immature and unable to
work thru difficulties as she seems to be would have a tough
time working thru the
layers of manipulative propaganda we live in daily.
Okay, but who's going to be empowered to judge such things and do
so impartially?
PeteWasLucky
2024-08-11 00:48:34 UTC
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Interesting, I didn't know she had US citizenship at any time.
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