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Biden's political career is over
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TT
2024-07-12 00:46:17 UTC
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Just watched his "big boy presser", apparently aimed to diminish doubts
about his cognitive ability.

Didn't look good. Not good at all. I saw like last 20 minutes of the
presser where he answered questions from the press and I felt just sorry
for the poor chap. He really shouldn't be there, no more.

He was mumbling about lots of unrelated stuff to questions asked,
obviously having problems to focus on what he was answering, many times
stopping his monologue with "anyways" when he lost train of thought. He
told that he will indeed run for president.

"Four Asian nations: Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"

He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".

Earlier at Nato meeting when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.

There's no way Democrats can put him as candidate. No way.
Why are they letting him embarrass himself like this when clearly he's
not capable any more. Sad.
TT
2024-07-12 01:09:31 UTC
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Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"
https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1811553607092981822
jdeluise
2024-07-12 01:55:21 UTC
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Post by TT
Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"
https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1811553607092981822
Hey look, TT is promoting twitter feeds from hardcore Trump
nutters as "evidence". What a surprise!
TT
2024-07-12 16:20:05 UTC
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Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"
https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1811553607092981822
Hey look, TT is promoting twitter feeds from hardcore Trump nutters as
"evidence".  What a surprise!
Not a surprise to you, eh? I'm known to be such a hardcore Trump fan right?

I used the search function on twitter for the clip. That's the first
link I got.

I recommend watching this clip from Young Turks here:


They are complete garbage but I have to agree with their POW here...

Would you go on a plane with a captain like Biden?
Would you even go in a car driven by Biden?
The Iceberg
2024-07-13 09:29:15 UTC
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Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"
https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1811553607092981822
Hey look, TT is promoting twitter feeds from hardcore Trump nutters as
"evidence".  What a surprise!
Not a surprise to you, eh? I'm known to be such a hardcore Trump fan right?
I used the search function on twitter for the clip. That's the first
link I got.
http://youtu.be/vXkNaf5itGg
They are complete garbage but I have to agree with their POW here...
Would you go on a plane with a captain like Biden?
Would you even go in a car driven by Biden?
jdeluise would say yes to both those cos he an anti-Republican! he
supports absolutely anything, no matter how dumb, warped, corrupt,
devious, long as it looks like it opposes the Repubs. From men wearing
dresses destroying women's sports to saying Biden could be totally
mentally incompentent and still a good president. He loves hiring
non-whites who've done sub-par medical qualifications as doctors and
even those that have failed their pilot testing to fly passenger/cargo
planes just to satisfy non-Repub DEI hiring! one DEI dude even crashed
his cargo plane killing 3 ppl despite having it being well known how bad
a pilot he was. Just ask him, jdeluise will give you good excuses why,
it AMAZING!
jdeluise
2024-07-12 01:50:15 UTC
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Post by TT
Just watched his "big boy presser", apparently aimed to diminish
doubts about his cognitive ability.
Didn't look good. Not good at all. I saw like last 20 minutes of the
presser where he answered questions from the press and I felt
just
sorry for the poor chap. He really shouldn't be there, no more.
He was mumbling about lots of unrelated stuff to questions
asked,
obviously having problems to focus on what he was answering,
many
times stopping his monologue with "anyways" when he lost train
of
thought. He told that he will indeed run for president.
"Four Asian nations: Australia, New Zealand,
Japan.... Australia"
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds
later.
There's no way Democrats can put him as candidate. No way.
Why are they letting him embarrass himself like this when
clearly he's
not capable any more. Sad.
I thought he was great, actually. You're picking on a few,
selected stumbles, but Biden's always been a gaffe machine. Funny
thing he makes fewer gaffes than Trump, you just don't hear about
it because the media doesn't bother to report it. Maybe try to
listen to some of his speeches sometimes.

He went on at great length with a good command of the details to
extemporaneous questioning, often for several minutes at a time.
He didn't look particularly feeble or tired for an 81-year old,
and definitely didn't sound "confused". The difference between
this and the debate was night and day.
TT
2024-07-12 16:14:59 UTC
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Post by TT
Just watched his "big boy presser", apparently aimed to diminish
doubts about his cognitive ability.
Didn't look good. Not good at all. I saw like last 20 minutes of the
presser where he answered questions from the press and I felt just
sorry for the poor chap. He really shouldn't be there, no more.
He was mumbling about lots of unrelated stuff to questions asked,
obviously having problems to focus on what he was answering, many
times stopping his monologue with "anyways" when he lost train of
thought. He told that he will indeed run for president.
"Four Asian nations: Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.
There's no way Democrats can put him as candidate. No way.
Why are they letting him embarrass himself like this when clearly he's
not capable any more. Sad.
I thought he was great, actually.  You're picking on a few, selected
stumbles, but Biden's always been a gaffe machine.  Funny thing he makes
fewer gaffes than Trump, you just don't hear about it because the media
doesn't bother to report it.  Maybe try to listen to some of his
speeches sometimes.
He went on at great length with a good command of the details to
extemporaneous questioning, often for several minutes at a time. He
didn't look particularly feeble or tired for an 81-year old, and
definitely didn't sound "confused".  The difference between this and the
debate was night and day.
I think you're deaf & blind.

Watched a bit of MSNBC commentary of the big boy presser and they tended
to agree with you, Maddow & pals. Talk about lowered expectations.
Kalevi Kolttonen
2024-07-12 06:40:31 UTC
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Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.

What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!

br,
KK
jdeluise
2024-07-12 09:04:23 UTC
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Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm
your preconceived notions about Biden's state. For sure he wasn't
perfect, but overall I'd say it was average to above average. He
was clearly comprehending the questions and giving meaningful,
contextual responses. It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't
spell the end of his political career.

Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
headlines on the first question? I sure can.
The Iceberg
2024-07-12 09:23:07 UTC
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Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't perfect,
but overall I'd say it was average to above average.  He was clearly
comprehending the questions and giving meaningful, contextual
responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't spell the end of
his political career.
Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
headlines on the first question?  I sure can.
you said it doesn't matter if he is mentally incompetent cos he has a
team behind him running things anyway, yes?
TT
2024-07-12 16:44:43 UTC
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Post by Kalevi Kolttonen
Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't perfect,
but overall I'd say it was average to above average.  He was clearly
comprehending the questions and giving meaningful, contextual
responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't spell the end
of his political career.
Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
headlines on the first question?  I sure can.
you said it doesn't matter if he is mentally incompetent cos he has a
team behind him running things anyway, yes?
I have been wondering for some time US policy on immigration/borders...
China... woke policies etc.

Biden not leading the country explains it all... the power is in hands
of some radical (left & right) cabinet members / senators / whoever, not
the moderate Biden. He's just being a rubber stamp.
Apparently even his own cabinet meetings have been staged, where
everything was decided beforehand and Joe was just reading lines,
according to Young Turks. There haven't been any cabinet meetings in months.
The Iceberg
2024-07-14 09:29:35 UTC
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Post by Kalevi Kolttonen
Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't
perfect, but overall I'd say it was average to above average.  He was
clearly comprehending the questions and giving meaningful, contextual
responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't spell the end
of his political career.
Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
headlines on the first question?  I sure can.
you said it doesn't matter if he is mentally incompetent cos he has a
team behind him running things anyway, yes?
I have been wondering for some time US policy on immigration/borders...
China... woke policies etc.
Biden not leading the country explains it all... the power is in hands
of some radical (left & right) cabinet members / senators / whoever, not
the moderate Biden. He's just being a rubber stamp.
Apparently even his own cabinet meetings have been staged, where
everything was decided beforehand and Joe was just reading lines,
according to Young Turks. There haven't been any cabinet meetings in months.
used to think that until he announced it was transvestite day on Easter
Sunday, that was Marxism purposely on that day. He very good at acting
like he's a moderate but really being quite far left himself.
Sawfish
2024-07-12 14:08:34 UTC
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Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't perfect,
but overall I'd say it was average to above average.  He was clearly
comprehending the questions and giving meaningful, contextual
responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't spell the end
of his political career.
Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
headlines on the first question?  I sure can.
I watched much, not all, of it.

I think that if the debate had never happened and he had this
newsconference, no one would be talking about his relatively small
mistakes, much less pulling him off the ticket. It would have been an
average, although somewhat pugnacious, public appearance.

But the debate *did* happen, and people--*his* people--have got it in
their minds that he *might* lose to...AHEM!...TRUMP(!!!), and so
anything he does is examined in an excessive, anal-retentive fashion,
and these people (his people) will let nothing slide. And it does seem
to be true that he won't be getting any sharper over the next 4 years,
and if the last 4 have been any indication of the rate of deterioration,
he's sliding noticably. So they don't trust him to hold off Trump.

So right now, he's in the position where he has to pimpslap his former
loyal followers.

Good, loyal constituency.
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"Petition the lord with prayer...

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--Sawfish
TT
2024-07-12 16:52:04 UTC
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I think that if the debate had never happened and he had this
newsconference, no one would be talking about his relatively small
mistakes, much less pulling him off the ticket. It would have been an
average, although somewhat pugnacious, public appearance.
Perhaps. But this is lowered expectations, big time.
Not falling asleep or dying of old age on the stage is a winning
performance for Biden.

Look folks, this is a... well, anyway.
TT
2024-07-12 16:37:12 UTC
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Post by Kalevi Kolttonen
Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't perfect,
but overall I'd say it was average to above average.  He was clearly
comprehending the questions and giving meaningful, contextual
responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't spell the end of
his political career.
Meaningful contextual responses?

Biden was answering hardly half of the questions with relevant replies.
He was mostly doing his retirement home shtick where he goes constantly
off-topic, mumbles so that it's hard understand what he says. I feel
like he's incapable of mouthing words correctly, sort of like a
handicapped person... unless he shouts.

There was this weird shouting episode too, where he suddenly started
shouting about great America, children being shot etc. Not sure if it
was in any form related to the question asked, or his answer even.

Maybe I need to watch the entire thing and not only last 20 minutes...
but what I saw looked really bad to me. He finished multiple times his
answer with "well, anyway" when he lost his train of thought... he also
did same thing in the debate and I think the interview afterwards.

One must have truly lowered expectations if this convinced you of his
cognitive ability & ability to lead a country.

I'd go as far as to say that he is currently incapable of doing his job
and has not been leading the country for some time.

I doubt he'd pass a cognitive test with flying colours & definitely
would not get over 100 on an IQ test... probably 60-70 at the moment?
Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
headlines on the first question?  I sure can.
Biden has been doing this for decades.
You sound like Pelle, and that's not a compliment.
jdeluise
2024-07-12 17:46:32 UTC
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Post by Kalevi Kolttonen
Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't
perfect, but overall I'd say it was average to above average. 
He
was clearly comprehending the questions and giving meaningful,
contextual responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly
doesn't
spell the end of his political career.
Meaningful contextual responses?
Biden was answering hardly half of the questions with relevant
replies. He was mostly doing his retirement home shtick where he
goes
constantly off-topic, mumbles so that it's hard understand what
he
says. I feel like he's incapable of mouthing words correctly,
sort of
like a handicapped person... unless he shouts.
There was this weird shouting episode too, where he suddenly
started
shouting about great America, children being shot etc. Not sure if it
was in any form related to the question asked, or his answer
even.
Maybe I need to watch the entire thing and not only last 20
minutes... but what I saw looked really bad to me. He finished
multiple times his answer with "well, anyway" when he lost his
train
of thought... he also did same thing in the debate and I think
the
interview afterwards.
One must have truly lowered expectations if this convinced you
of his
cognitive ability & ability to lead a country.
I'd go as far as to say that he is currently incapable of doing
his
job and has not been leading the country for some time.
I doubt he'd pass a cognitive test with flying colours &
definitely
would not get over 100 on an IQ test... probably 60-70 at the
moment?
Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in
the
headlines on the first question?  I sure can.
Biden has been doing this for decades.
You sound like Pelle, and that's not a compliment.
You're one of the most dichotomous thinkers in rst, so what I'm
about to say probably won't make any sense to you. I recognize
and have stated previously that Biden's presentation was not
perfect, his performance was maybe average to above average.
Still, there is no way a person in the throes of dementia could
listen, comprehend and answer the way that he did. He *did*
respond with some substance, enough at least for the masses who
don't have a grasp of the underlying issues. And he did credibly
try to answer the questions as stated. How often do you hear
politicians simply ignore the question and answer what they *want*
to answer? They VERY often do that when they either don't know,
don't understand the question, or feel like they have something to
hide. He didn't do that, in my opinion.

So, even though his presentation itself wasn't great, I think he
at least showed he's capable of comprehending the issues and
making sound decisions and leading, at least from a foreign policy
perspective. I can't help but imagine how Trump would respond to
the same set of questions... you know, the guy that admittedly
only heard of NATO after he became president.

Unless and until there is another credible candidate on the dem
side this is about Biden vs. Trump, and on the things that matter
I still think that Biden is the superior choice. His performance
at least told me he's good enough, and as I've said he has a team
to fall back on... most of what you see during the campaign today
is theatrics anyway and has no relationship to the job itself.

It's almost like a symphony musician playing an audition. They
can be simply wonderful (or terrible) at playing solos in front of
the judges, it has almost no bearing on how well they will perform
day-to-day in the orchestra along with other musicians playing the
same sheet of music. Yet that's how they're judged and that's how
they get the job. The audition is an illusion.
TT
2024-07-13 04:09:44 UTC
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Post by Kalevi Kolttonen
Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't
perfect, but overall I'd say it was average to above average. He
was clearly comprehending the questions and giving meaningful,
contextual responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't
spell the end of his political career.
Meaningful contextual responses?
Biden was answering hardly half of the questions with relevant
replies. He was mostly doing his retirement home shtick where he goes
constantly off-topic, mumbles so that it's hard understand what he
says. I feel like he's incapable of mouthing words correctly, sort of
like a handicapped person... unless he shouts.
There was this weird shouting episode too, where he suddenly started
shouting about great America, children being shot etc. Not sure if it
was in any form related to the question asked, or his answer even.
Maybe I need to watch the entire thing and not only last 20
minutes... but what I saw looked really bad to me. He finished
multiple times his answer with "well, anyway" when he lost his train
of thought... he also did same thing in the debate and I think the
interview afterwards.
One must have truly lowered expectations if this convinced you of his
cognitive ability & ability to lead a country.
I'd go as far as to say that he is currently incapable of doing his
job and has not been leading the country for some time.
I doubt he'd pass a cognitive test with flying colours & definitely
would not get over 100 on an IQ test... probably 60-70 at the moment?
Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
headlines on the first question?  I sure can.
Biden has been doing this for decades.
You sound like Pelle, and that's not a compliment.
You're one of the most dichotomous thinkers in rst, so what I'm about to
say probably won't make any sense to you.  I recognize and have stated
previously that Biden's presentation was not perfect, his performance
was maybe average to above average. Still, there is no way a person in
the throes of dementia could listen, comprehend and answer the way that
he did.  He *did* respond with some substance, enough at least for the
masses who don't have a grasp of the underlying issues.  And he did
credibly try to answer the questions as stated.  How often do you hear
politicians simply ignore the question and answer what they *want* to
answer?  They VERY often do that when they either don't know, don't
understand the question, or feel like they have something to hide.  He
didn't do that, in my opinion.
So, even though his presentation itself wasn't great, I think he at
least showed he's capable of comprehending the issues and making sound
decisions and leading, at least from a foreign policy perspective.  I
can't help but imagine how Trump would respond to the same set of
questions... you know, the guy that admittedly only heard of NATO after
he became president.
Unless and until there is another credible candidate on the dem side
this is about Biden vs. Trump, and on the things that matter I still
think that Biden is the superior choice.  His performance at least told
me he's good enough, and as I've said he has a team to fall back on...
most of what you see during the campaign today is theatrics anyway and
has no relationship to the job itself.
It's almost like a symphony musician playing an audition.  They can be
simply wonderful (or terrible) at playing solos in front of the judges,
it has almost no bearing on how well they will perform day-to-day in the
orchestra along with other musicians playing the same sheet of music.
Yet that's how they're judged and that's how they get the job.  The
audition is an illusion.
Four more years pause!
jdeluise
2024-07-13 17:38:52 UTC
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Four more years pause!
I'm more confident that Joe will win the election now than I've
been in months. It's a huge boon to him that all the experts and
celebs are counting him out... best publicity he could get.
TT
2024-07-13 19:33:05 UTC
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Post by TT
Four more years pause!
I'm more confident that Joe will win the election now than I've been in
months.  It's a huge boon to him that all the experts and celebs are
counting him out... best publicity he could get.
Not sure if I follow the logic here. So celebs telling that he's a
vegetable & 72% of American people polling that he's not cognitively up
to the task is positive? 36% approval rating. 2/3 of Americans saying he
should step aside...

Pretty hard to win with those numbers. Even against Trump.

As for your previous post... I wouldn't feel comfortable voting on an
obvious puppet... while not knowing who really runs the office of
presidency. Maybe it would be ok for Finnish president who has almost
zero power but US president has great power since he signs laws & makes
crucial policies on his own through executive orders.

Even if you'd argue that Biden is still making the decisions, I'd argue
that someone in his state can be easily manipulated by inner circle. In
addition, unlikely that he'd serve the full term and nobody really likes
Kamala now do they?
jdeluise
2024-07-13 20:54:01 UTC
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Post by TT
Four more years pause!
I'm more confident that Joe will win the election now than I've
been
in months.  It's a huge boon to him that all the experts and
celebs
are counting him out... best publicity he could get.
Not sure if I follow the logic here. So celebs telling that he's a
vegetable & 72% of American people polling that he's not
cognitively
up to the task is positive? 36% approval rating. 2/3 of
Americans
saying he should step aside...
At least right now it's getting the attention off Trump and on
Biden. And these "expert" reports of Biden's cadaverhood are
standing in sharp relief to what seems to be his typical reality;
He had another well-delivered speech at a campaign rally
yesterday. I think it's making Biden look like a fighting
underdog, and that seems to be a really important quality to have
to an American audience. Trump was getting that and some sympathy
from all the legal issues and the wait for the Supreme Court
ruling. Now he's basically out of the news cycle except for
fighting the perception of his obvious association with "Project
2025".
Post by TT
Pretty hard to win with those numbers. Even against Trump.
As for your previous post... I wouldn't feel comfortable voting on an
obvious puppet... while not knowing who really runs the office
of
presidency. Maybe it would be ok for Finnish president who has
almost
zero power but US president has great power since he signs laws
&
makes crucial policies on his own through executive orders.
Even if you'd argue that Biden is still making the decisions,
I'd
argue that someone in his state can be easily manipulated by
inner
circle. In addition, unlikely that he'd serve the full term and
nobody really likes Kamala now do they?
It's all about beating Trump, because he would be far worse than
Joe in a coma. The shit Trump wants to do with "Project 2025" is
simply chilling. Look, I don't think there is enough belief that
Kamala could beat him, she's extraordinarily unpopular. Anyone
else is "unvetted" and it's simply too late to risk it.
TT
2024-07-13 21:46:16 UTC
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Post by TT
Four more years pause!
I'm more confident that Joe will win the election now than I've been
in months.  It's a huge boon to him that all the experts and celebs
are counting him out... best publicity he could get.
Not sure if I follow the logic here. So celebs telling that he's a
vegetable & 72% of American people polling that he's not cognitively
up to the task is positive? 36% approval rating. 2/3 of Americans
saying he should step aside...
At least right now it's getting the attention off Trump and on Biden.
And these "expert" reports of Biden's cadaverhood are standing in sharp
relief to what seems to be his typical reality; He had another
well-delivered speech at a campaign rally yesterday.  I think it's
making Biden look like a fighting underdog, and that seems to be a
really important quality to have to an American audience.  Trump was
getting that and some sympathy from all the legal issues and the wait
for the Supreme Court ruling.  Now he's basically out of the news cycle
except for fighting the perception of his obvious association with
"Project 2025".
I don't think "well-delivered campaign speech" is worth anything. As I
speculated previously, that's the only thing he can still do somewhat
convincingly... read from a prompter.
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Pretty hard to win with those numbers. Even against Trump.
As for your previous post... I wouldn't feel comfortable voting on an
obvious puppet... while not knowing who really runs the office of
presidency. Maybe it would be ok for Finnish president who has almost
zero power but US president has great power since he signs laws &
makes crucial policies on his own through executive orders.
Even if you'd argue that Biden is still making the decisions, I'd
argue that someone in his state can be easily manipulated by inner
circle.  In addition, unlikely that he'd serve the full term and
nobody really likes Kamala now do they?
It's all about beating Trump, because he would be far worse than Joe in
a coma.  The shit Trump wants to do with "Project 2025" is simply
chilling.  Look, I don't think there is enough belief that Kamala could
beat him, she's extraordinarily unpopular.  Anyone else is "unvetted"
and it's simply too late to risk it.
Coming from a vegetarian...
:)
The Iceberg
2024-07-14 10:42:15 UTC
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Four more years pause!
I'm more confident that Joe will win the election now than I've been
in months.  It's a huge boon to him that all the experts and celebs
are counting him out... best publicity he could get.
Not sure if I follow the logic here. So celebs telling that he's a
vegetable & 72% of American people polling that he's not cognitively
up to the task is positive? 36% approval rating. 2/3 of Americans
saying he should step aside...
At least right now it's getting the attention off Trump and on Biden.
And these "expert" reports of Biden's cadaverhood are standing in sharp
relief to what seems to be his typical reality; He had another
well-delivered speech at a campaign rally yesterday.  I think it's
making Biden look like a fighting underdog, and that seems to be a
really important quality to have to an American audience.  Trump was
getting that and some sympathy from all the legal issues and the wait
for the Supreme Court ruling.  Now he's basically out of the news cycle
except for fighting the perception of his obvious association with
"Project 2025".
Post by TT
Pretty hard to win with those numbers. Even against Trump.
As for your previous post... I wouldn't feel comfortable voting on an
obvious puppet... while not knowing who really runs the office of
presidency. Maybe it would be ok for Finnish president who has almost
zero power but US president has great power since he signs laws &
makes crucial policies on his own through executive orders.
Even if you'd argue that Biden is still making the decisions, I'd
argue that someone in his state can be easily manipulated by inner
circle.  In addition, unlikely that he'd serve the full term and
nobody really likes Kamala now do they?
It's all about beating Trump, because he would be far worse than Joe in
a coma.  The shit Trump wants to do with "Project 2025" is simply
chilling.  Look, I don't think there is enough belief that Kamala could
beat him, she's extraordinarily unpopular.  Anyone else is "unvetted"
and it's simply too late to risk it.
can you even tell us what is in this fake Project 2025 you're talking about?
The Iceberg
2024-07-13 09:37:40 UTC
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He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't
perfect, but overall I'd say it was average to above average. He
was clearly comprehending the questions and giving meaningful,
contextual responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't
spell the end of his political career.
Meaningful contextual responses?
Biden was answering hardly half of the questions with relevant
replies. He was mostly doing his retirement home shtick where he goes
constantly off-topic, mumbles so that it's hard understand what he
says. I feel like he's incapable of mouthing words correctly, sort of
like a handicapped person... unless he shouts.
There was this weird shouting episode too, where he suddenly started
shouting about great America, children being shot etc. Not sure if it
was in any form related to the question asked, or his answer even.
Maybe I need to watch the entire thing and not only last 20
minutes... but what I saw looked really bad to me. He finished
multiple times his answer with "well, anyway" when he lost his train
of thought... he also did same thing in the debate and I think the
interview afterwards.
One must have truly lowered expectations if this convinced you of his
cognitive ability & ability to lead a country.
I'd go as far as to say that he is currently incapable of doing his
job and has not been leading the country for some time.
I doubt he'd pass a cognitive test with flying colours & definitely
would not get over 100 on an IQ test... probably 60-70 at the moment?
Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
headlines on the first question?  I sure can.
Biden has been doing this for decades.
You sound like Pelle, and that's not a compliment.
You're one of the most dichotomous thinkers in rst, so what I'm about to
say probably won't make any sense to you.  I recognize and have stated
previously that Biden's presentation was not perfect, his performance
was maybe average to above average. Still, there is no way a person in
the throes of dementia could listen, comprehend and answer the way that
he did.  He *did* respond with some substance, enough at least for the
masses who don't have a grasp of the underlying issues.  And he did
credibly try to answer the questions as stated.  How often do you hear
politicians simply ignore the question and answer what they *want* to
answer?  They VERY often do that when they either don't know, don't
understand the question, or feel like they have something to hide.  He
didn't do that, in my opinion.
So, even though his presentation itself wasn't great, I think he at
least showed he's capable of comprehending the issues and making sound
decisions and leading, at least from a foreign policy perspective.  I
can't help but imagine how Trump would respond to the same set of
questions... you know, the guy that admittedly only heard of NATO after
he became president.
Unless and until there is another credible candidate on the dem side
this is about Biden vs. Trump, and on the things that matter I still
think that Biden is the superior choice.  His performance at least told
me he's good enough, and as I've said he has a team to fall back on...
most of what you see during the campaign today is theatrics anyway and
has no relationship to the job itself.
It's almost like a symphony musician playing an audition.  They can be
simply wonderful (or terrible) at playing solos in front of the judges,
it has almost no bearing on how well they will perform day-to-day in the
orchestra along with other musicians playing the same sheet of music.
Yet that's how they're judged and that's how they get the job.  The
audition is an illusion.
you're not being honest here, you'd support anyone over Trump no matter
what, you proved that in 2016.
TT
2024-07-12 16:21:01 UTC
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Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Yes. I think he was just being polite to the host. But went a bit too far.
Sawfish
2024-07-12 16:40:06 UTC
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Post by Kalevi Kolttonen
Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Yes. I think he was just being polite to the host. But went a bit too far.
What this showed that he's intermittently functional in controlled
situations. We've also seen that he can be close to non-functional as
well. Is this actually good enough for a world leader is the question at
hand.
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TT
2024-07-12 16:58:32 UTC
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Post by Kalevi Kolttonen
Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Yes. I think he was just being polite to the host. But went a bit too far.
What this showed that he's intermittently functional in controlled
situations. We've also seen that he can be close to non-functional as
well. Is this actually good enough for a world leader is the question at
hand.
"Intermittently functional in controlled situations" sounds about right.
Being able to answer so-so understandably on half of the questions by
the press is imo far from being able to handle the job.
Sawfish
2024-07-12 17:19:27 UTC
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Post by TT
Post by Kalevi Kolttonen
Post by TT
He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".
Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.
According to our president Stubido, we can fully
trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.
What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!
br,
KK
Yes. I think he was just being polite to the host. But went a bit too far.
What this showed that he's intermittently functional in controlled
situations. We've also seen that he can be close to non-functional as
well. Is this actually good enough for a world leader is the question
at hand.
"Intermittently functional in controlled situations" sounds about right.
Being able to answer so-so understandably on half of the questions by
the press is imo far from being able to handle the job.
I think that's a very reasonable conclusion. But many here in the US
will conveniently overlook this, or consider it unimportant, simply
because it's more important to beat Trump--a polarizing figure if ever
there was one.

Yep. That's how it is here.

There's the ironic situation possible that the Demos, who carefully
selected a female PoC in 2020, the Year of George Floyd, to virtue
signal to a shocked and outraged nation, now has to consider what to do
about Harris is they decide to shove Old Joe into a rest home.

She's not the ideal candidate.
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