Post by *skriptisOn 1/1/25 9:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:> https://dailystormer.in/america-is-a-sports-team-competing-with-china-is-actually-the-correct-metaphor/> > > Anglin is a genius.> > > I fast-read this. It's the best I can do for most Anglin stuff, skript. He is purposefully confrontational and this part makes him regularly inject strawman arguments. I'm not going to accuse him of doing this maliciously (although he may well be doing this, but I don't know his stuff well enough--I think that he *is* doing it to cultivate his following, though-- but in examining his positions--not to simply show that *he's* wrong, so nyah, nyah, nyah!, but to just get the facts straight for further evaluation), one would need to identify each strawman, then show the inappropriateness of the construct he's using.So I'm going to bypass this and say that one really needs to understand what the domestic American workforce, composed of Caucasians of European descent, is like, currently. And I'll make this short and blunt.The entire current emerging young adult generation has been raised in a social environment since about 2000, and increasing sharply in the Obama years, that denigrates competition and winning (artifacts of colonial/imperial norms), are apologetic to whatever group is perceived to be underdogs, and has become accustomed to being praised for mediocre work.That describes probably 90+ of all US college graduates. They *can*, gradually be convinced that competition is normal, and that they can--and should--compete as hard as they can--as their forebears routinely did--against all other groups, regardless of whether they've been identified as cultural victims. Not all can be convinced, though.Contrasted to imported H1-B workers from either India or China, as an employer, you have none of this to overcome: simply put, neither culture contains the Trojan horse of racial/cultural guilt and self-blame that paralyzes the native US college population.And that's pretty much all you need to know about *why* these guys like Musk are saying what they're saying. I wish it was otherwise, but...-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make Woke."--Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tnx for stepping out of your comfort zone if reading Anglin is such a nuisance to you.
It's amusing, kinda. If I had time I'd like to discuss the origins of it, you don't seem like a guy who'd ignore Anglin merely because others have told everyone not to read him. I think?
Yes. I don't care if a lot of people are in favor, or against someone or
something. Lots of times I suspect that people who are disliked are
actually onto an accurate, but uncomfortable "truth".
Post by *skriptisSo I guess it's just his style that bothers you? You said that actually yourself.
Yes, mostly.
In reading his stuff I can see a level of analytic and observational
talent, but I'm currently under the impression--which I'm sorry to say
he constantly re-enforces, to me, at least--is that he's purposely
manipulating situations to benefit his own following.
Like Jon Stewart, really.
Post by *skriptisStrawman are there to make a point, bunch of them make the whole.
Yes, I suspect this.
Post by *skriptisAnd are funny. I'd say. Sadly strawman are detraction for you. It seems.
Yes. And I believe that very many of those reading him swallow these
strawmen, whole. I can tell by your comment that you don't read his
stuff that way--you see his strawmen as hypothetical exaggerations to
clarify a possible truth.
But I get the feeling he's perfectly happy to have his strawmen accepted
at face value, if it keeps his following up.
BTW, there are some remarkable guys on Substack. Some are scary good
writers--and also either deeply troubled and/or cynically manipulative.
Try Librarian of Celaeno. In my opinion, he is both brilliant and troubled.
Post by *skriptisWhat you say about your current youth is I guess true, and then it means Musk has a point.
It's my opinion, as objective as I can get it, skript. I respect that
you may disagree, but I'll honestly tell you up front that I think I
*know* this area pretty damned well.
Post by *skriptisBut.
I'd say "can't see the forest through the trees" is arguably applicable here.
Maybe. But I'm so put off by his style that I have real trouble hanging
in there long enough to see any possible insights.
It's a lot like the trouble that Trump has. He makes it *easy* to not
want to listen to him.
Post by *skriptisI know you understand this, and are aware of the backstory, but the fact your first reaction was to discuss economy, shows you don't seem to get it.
If the it is The Great Replacement, I see this tangentially to the way
you may see it, skript. It's there, happening, but the result of free
demand/supply in the case of H1-B, and sorry-assed western guilt in the
case of mass migration from the mid-east/Africa in Europe, and central
S. America and the Caribbean here in the US.
So I see it as an evolutionary phenomenon rather than a long-standing
plot of malevolent elites.
Post by *skriptisA country is a country, not a company.
Yes it is, but now you're missing that the specific focus of Musk's, et
al, stance is really that *they* can use more, and better, technical
talent than is currently available from domestic college production.
They want it, they are dishonest in saying that their main concern is
the health of the nation--and it might even be true--but their *MAIN*
reason is not national health, but industrial dominance by their companies.
Which, if the companies are American, benefit the health of the US. But
really, that's secondary as far as Musk is concerned. A side benefit.
Post by *skriptisLet's say Musk is right 100% about workforce, economy and other stuff. In theory it could be debatable too,
Yes...agreed.
but I'll skip it and concede.
Post by *skriptisBut if any country is importing aliens, hiring them, they turn to constitute the bulk of workforce, whether it's low skilled or top jobs, or both and later bulk of population, no matter the economic success, it's a loss.
Let me propose that *without* skilled and motivated workers, the US will
be more fucked than it already is. If these workers could be found
domestically, that would be ideal, but I've explained that they can't be
found, and why.
So the actual, practical choice for national technological survival
forces importation of H1-B workers. Mercenaries, where a citizen army
would be ideal.
It may be that AI will reduce this need to import this kind of worker.
For the manual trades there's a similar problem. It is much less
pressing, but still exists, and here's why...
These same college grads I've talked about have made the manual trades
very low status. One might be ashamed to admit that one is a very
skilled plumber or electrician, for example.
Post by *skriptisOn a tennis scale.
E.g. Japan could issue passports to Alcaraz and Sinner and win many slams and Davis Cup.
Would that mean anything?
What is that?
It would not be a matter of national industrial competitive survival,
and everyone knows this, so it's a poor, Anglin-like strawman...
;^)
Post by *skriptisIt's very philosophical.
OK, but it's much less philosophical over here in the US. Within my
lifetime we've always been top-dog, and it's emotionally quite
threatening to consider becoming #2, or less.
We're not Frenchmen here in the US, you understand. ;^)
I also recognize that it might be perfectly OK to be #2 or less. We just
don't *know* this, and so it's scary.
Post by *skriptisSo this Musk affair is actually boring since it's a very old debate, that's why I'm avoiding it.
But the article was funny, and well written imo to shed some light into this discord between Musk and the deplorables.
Personally, I suspect that the rift is being overplayed by the US media,
who desperately want to vent their spleen over losing the election.
Really. It could well be mostly that. We'll have to wait and see. If it
goes away fairly soon (3 months or less), we'll know it was simply an
attempt by the media to stir the pot.
Post by *skriptisTo summarize.
China is not going to start importing neither Indians neither whites to improve their economy.
I'd contend that they have no need to do this, so what's the point?
Post by *skriptisNo matter who is allegedly or for real racially superior, they're not going to do it.
Yes.
I know, and have worked with, Chinese nationals ever since about '84. My
honest impression is that they are very, very intelligent, but not
overly creative in an out-of-the-box way, consistently, like western
Europeans, but have no problem with simply standing on the shoulder of
giants, whether Asian or Caucasian. In China, all that matters are
successful outcomes.
So they don't usually *need* intellectual piracy, but if the opportunity
presents itself, no moral/ethical problem, nope.
NOTE: This is is a supremely efficient cultural survival strategy,
there's no question in my mind.
Post by *skriptisSo if America is doing it, and the whole west, and as musk says, is doing it to win competition vs China, and China is not doing it, it means you're not even competing in the same game as Anglin says.
It means we survive in the short term, with hopefully one more chance to
get our collective head out of our butt. But yes, if we in the US do not
use this interval, where we are hiring mercenaries to "protect" us in
the short term, using the time to figurative raise our own voluntary
army, yep, we could be fucked in the longer term. No doubt.
Post by *skriptisUSA is Darth Vader in Episode IV, playing power game and using light saber, and China is Obi-Wan who lets Vader strike him before disappearing and becoming more powerful.
;)
OK...
;^)
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